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  1. LMS2968 liked D6332found's post in the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    I think this is in part bad history written by the victors, "GWR good, everything else bad". Whilst there were some issues LNWR wise, many of these performed very well over a number of years including the whole WCML, including the WW1 years. I...

    Mar 23, 2017 at 8:30 PM
  2. LMS2968 liked ragl's post in the thread Pre grouping loco workings.

    Yes, it was pre-grouping. The Plymouth turn amounted to a fail as on the first trip the G.C. driver refused assistance on Hemerdon and of course, stalled; my word they were a wee bit too proud in those days... Cheers, Alan

    Mar 23, 2017 at 7:25 PM
  3. LMS2968 liked Jamessquared's post in the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    Front end design in particular I suspect. Poor steam distribution will make less difference on a loco at low speed than at high speed (because the ports are open for a shorter time period at high speed, so getting steam in / out quickly is at...

    Mar 23, 2017 at 9:37 AM
  4. LMS2968 liked andrewshimmin's post in the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    I suspect partly 4-6-0s were a tougher nut to crack than hindsight makes us realise. They were designed because longer, heavier and faster trains were needed. That meant more power - but with the British loading gauge larger cylinders is not a...

    Mar 23, 2017 at 9:36 AM
  5. LMS2968 replied to the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    The 'Rivers' did indeed return to the Highland in LMS days, but apart from a change of Chief Civil Engineer, I believe that a certain amount of upgrading of the route - bridge strengthening especially - allowed this.

    Mar 23, 2017 at 8:02 AM
  6. LMS2968 replied to the thread Pre grouping loco workings.

    All that was needed for a crew to work through was route knowledge, and it wasn't uncommon for crews to work over foreign metals. North Staffs engines - and crews - wandered far and wide over northern England, the Midlands and into Wales. The...

    Mar 23, 2017 at 7:57 AM
  7. LMS2968 replied to the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    A 4-6-0 was undesirable on any part of the Midland during Pre-Grouping days, partly due the weight and length restrictions imposed by the Chief Civil Engineer, and partly because its traffic patterns of short but frequent trains didn't call for one.

    Mar 21, 2017 at 3:40 PM
  8. LMS2968 liked Jimc's post in the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    The story I heard was that 4-6-0s weren't allowed on the Midland section of the Bristol Birmingham line in Midland days. Once that changed... The GW scrapped all their large wheeled 4-4-0s in pretty short order, the outside frame ones 1927-1931...

    Mar 21, 2017 at 3:37 PM
  9. LMS2968 liked John Petley's post in the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    Thanks one and all for these interesting comments, particularly the very detailed reply from LMS2968. I was hoping you might chip in as you seem to be a walking encyclopaedia of all things LMS! I have learnt a lot. Please keep them coming! As a...

    Mar 20, 2017 at 8:06 PM
  10. LMS2968 replied to the thread The LMS's pre-grouping express 4-6-0s - a question.

    It's quite a complicated story, but... Scottish 4-6-0s: the River Class (built for the Highland but famously sold to the Caly) were the only really good ones. The Scottish companies produced many fine 4-4-0s (the Caly Dunalastairs, to name but...

    Mar 20, 2017 at 6:34 PM