If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

West Somerset Railway Operations

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by gwr4090, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. Jim O'Brien

    Jim O'Brien New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2014
    Messages:
    78
    Likes Received:
    83
    Gender:
    Male
    On webcams, maybe a non-streaming shot might be acceptable? The CVR in Staffordshire have a network of nine cameras which refresh at 10-second intervals, Maybe somewhat jerky, and possibly a low-budget solution, but who could object to a still picture which would still show the watching audience what is happening there?

    See http://home.btconnect.com/cvrailway/webcams/webcam-froghall.php


    Jim O'Brien
     
    j&mkeynes likes this.
  2. j&mkeynes

    j&mkeynes New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2018
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    20
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Minehead
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    That`s a very considerate and sensitive viewpoint. Not. Because a very small number of enthusiasts would like to very occasionally watch a train pulling into or out of a station, you have just suggested that any householder affected by some pretty poor positioning of a camera should go to the expense of redesigning their property`s back garden. You may have money to burn. Don`t assume others are in a similar situation.
     
  3. Faol

    Faol Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2014
    Messages:
    739
    Likes Received:
    1,721
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Any port in a storm
    Location:
    Taunton
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Great news 4110 Appeal Update: Today we passed the £70,000 mark and currently have over £71,500 pledged. Excellent progress! If you haven't done so yet and have been thinking about it please make your pledge to gwr4110@gmail.com. We're getting closer to securing the future of 4110 for the WSR on a daily basis.
     
  4. MellishR

    MellishR Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    4,023
    Likes Received:
    1,775
    I might be inclined to contribute if I thought the PLC was sympathetic to the plan, but all we have been told is that they have no definite plans for using the loco if it does stay and, crucially, that they are refusing any extension of the deadline for the sale. I said upthread that this seemed a rare opportunity for the PLC to have their cake and eat it, but they seem not to see it that way.
     
  5. stephenvane

    stephenvane Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2011
    Messages:
    526
    Likes Received:
    398
    Glad to hear the fund raising is going well.

    However I still find it bizarre that the plc have chosen to sell the loco and therefore continue their heavy reliance on hired in locos, rather than keep 4110 as an asset for the future.
     
    Yorkshireman and Bean-counter like this.
  6. jnc

    jnc Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    742
    Likes Received:
    777
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Western Atlantic
    Apparently they need the cash more - and now.

    I wonder if lack of agreement over this move was part of what was behind the board upheavals earlier this year?

    Noel
     
  7. stephenvane

    stephenvane Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2011
    Messages:
    526
    Likes Received:
    398
    Perhaps unavoidable if they need the cash now. In the longer term though, not a positive move.

    I know the Bodmin railway nearly sold 5552 in the early days because they needed cash. Fortunately they decided to keep it, and they are now in a very strong position in terms of owning their own locos.
     
    Greenway and Bean-counter like this.
  8. jma1009

    jma1009 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2013
    Messages:
    767
    Likes Received:
    516
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    ynysddu south wales
    I am very sorry but I don't understand the 4110 appeal at all! If the WSR PLC needs an injection of cash quickly, then surely there is a better way of achieving this?

    If the WSRA and WSR were properly conjoined as per the TR board and TRPS (Talyllyn) then this kind of sell off of 'the family silver' would never occur.

    This surely calls into play once again the Coombes Report that set out quite explicitly the dysfunctional set up of the WSRA/WSR PLC.

    I may be naive but to my mind the WSR PLC needs to make an appeal to members/shareholders/ anyone to help it out and provide ready cash - not sell off an asset in rather pantomime circumstances.

    The analogy is that WSRA sells the moribund 'Ditcheat Manor' to bail out the WSR PLC - which of course it would never do due to the dysfunctional set up of both organisations. Or it could simply transfer to the PLC sufficient funds from it's reserves same as the TRPS has done many times to TR Co, but this is also dysfunctional in the case of the WSRA and WSR PLC.

    To suggest that a group of loco volunteers and others should buy 4110 from the PLC to bail it out seems quite bizarre to me!

    Cheers,

    Julian
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2018
    dhpaul likes this.
  9. Robin Moira White

    Robin Moira White Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2014
    Messages:
    9,643
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Barrister
    Location:
    Stogumber
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    I haven’t been asked by anyone involved with web-cam-gate for help, assistance or advice.

    I do have specific, relevant legal experience but as (1) it is conceivable that I might be asked and (2) I am a WSRA Trustee, I would rather not comment in detail.

    Much has been said on this thread that is sensible, some less so. A guiding principle ought to be ‘neighbourliness’ on both sides. Something I always think about when dealing with MY neighbours.

    Robin.
     
  10. Robin Moira White

    Robin Moira White Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2014
    Messages:
    9,643
    Likes Received:
    13,171
    Gender:
    Female
    Occupation:
    Barrister
    Location:
    Stogumber
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    Time, then, for a little distraction. As I have been ‘grounded’ for a few days with a leg injury, I don’t have any vintage vehicle or aircraft photos available.

    So try this item which came through my letterbox a few days ago...

    I have a full set of bound WSR Journals back to Issue 1 in 1976 but would be delighted to add to my collection of the much rarer Newsletters that preceded them.

    Robin

    6A63C4A5-12D7-4EF1-8F02-60F2636FD850.jpeg 0797C72A-1C02-4BF8-83A6-342789C09051.jpeg 94068FCC-73BD-4ECC-AAD3-08A714C313CB.jpeg B9CAE8A6-775B-42F3-98EC-0F34AB5C7BC1.jpeg 8B4C3340-EDEA-4837-8870-86F5CC0977C8.jpeg D6E5E94C-B181-482D-A34B-A035D84ECFCC.jpeg 7DC1B571-9BBB-4954-968E-6F1A83CA2B92.jpeg
     
  11. MarkinDurham

    MarkinDurham Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2007
    Messages:
    2,024
    Likes Received:
    776
    Location:
    Durham
    "Determined idiots" - nicely put :)
     
    malcolm imps likes this.
  12. johnofwessex

    johnofwessex Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,220
    Likes Received:
    2,553
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Thorn in my managers side
    Location:
    72
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Well put

    It might of course be worth saying that exactly the same point applies in connection to smoke emissions which have caused some controversy on the Swanage Thread.

    In addition to that of course, as any lawyer or police officer will no doubt know, whilst the neighbours might not manage to get you on what you are annoying them with they may well manage to get you on something else if you get on the wrong side of them.
     
  13. Yorkshireman

    Yorkshireman Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2014
    Messages:
    4,485
    Likes Received:
    5,036
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Comfy chair occupant!
    Location:
    No moaners please!
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Today’s edition of the West Somerset Free Press quotes Paul Conibeare as saying the the resident’s concern was that conversations might be overheard and that the feed had now been restored without sound. Is this in fact the case?
     
  14. Anne C-B

    Anne C-B New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2016
    Messages:
    158
    Likes Received:
    217
    Location:
    UK
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/cctv/
     
  15. granmaree

    granmaree Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2015
    Messages:
    408
    Likes Received:
    384
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Only the one facing Minehead, the other is not publicly accessible. Sound was on both initially then just prior to the south facing being cut from public viewing on the Railcam site it was muted. That is completely understandable, surely nobody would argue that silent streaming in this case is necessary (although one person did state that yes it would have sound as they are the most popular for viewings when I queried it months ago) . Is it possible that the major stumbling block is the fact that there is a portion of ground visible just beyond the waiting room roof? The picture is a screenshot I have taken from a YouTube video,
    Screenshot_20181227-135358.png
     
    Yorkshireman likes this.
  16. Maunsell907

    Maunsell907 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2013
    Messages:
    557
    Likes Received:
    1,268
    Gender:
    Male
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    (EBIT). = (BOS + D) - (TIS)

    Where
    EBIT. , 'earnings before interest and tax
    BOS 'bums on seats' revenue, both farebox and other spending.
    D. 'donations'
    TIS costs of: running 'Trains', maintaining 'Infrastructure', 'Salaries'.

    The PLC is operating where (EBIT) is negative ie they are consuming cash.
    BOS has been static for some years ( although I believe revenue per passenger has increased)
    D whether by cash or share purchases has been significant but for instance only c.20% of those
    shown in the 2017 NYMR accounts. ( help from the WSRA has been small)
    TIS all three costs have increased significantly.

    Hence the PLC's pressing requirement for cash (reserves have been run down)

    It appears axiomatic within the Heritage Rail movement that if you wish to seek funds in a
    hurry then locomotives are the best catalyst. (This was why some of us set up the three loco
    fund raising, which following changes in WSRA Trustee Board Membership appears to have lost impetus)

    Similarly people prefer to pledge/donate to a specific fund rather than to a 'general'
    fund. ( To minimise concerns that the raised funds may be dissipated to other causes
    or worse still within general overheads)

    I empathise with Julian's concerns and those of others . However for the above
    reasonsI believe the initiative from the loco department deserves our unconditional
    support.

    Michael Rowe
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2018
  17. 6960 Raveningham Hall

    6960 Raveningham Hall Member Friend

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2016
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    440
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    St. Austell and Blue Anchor.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Yes, the stream from the camera facing Bishops Lydeard is no longer available for public viewing. The camera facing Minehead is still available; however, I am surprised that the symbol at the top right of the screen suggests that sound from that camera has been disabled because it has not. I haven't viewed it today, but when I watched arrivals and departures yesterday there certainly was a sound feed.

    Stef.
     
    Yorkshireman likes this.
  18. 61624

    61624 Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2006
    Messages:
    3,877
    Likes Received:
    1,642
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    If the WSR Plc doesn't have the resources to own and restore 4110 in its own right then the next best option is for the loco to be owned by a group of dedicated supporters, hired engines should be at the bottom of the list of preferences. The NYMR has been fortunate to build its owned fleet, supported by NELPG and the B1 and Essex Loco Societies, and has recently attracted 80136 and 92134 to the line on long term agreements, so it has secured its motive power position and no longer has need of hire locos. In fact, it managed without the J27, which did a lot of early season running but moved to the Wensleydale for the peak summer season and when Lambton 29 is returned to service I would expect that too to be leaving for a summer holiday elsewhere. It can therefore be done, the NYMR having been a long term user of hired engines till recently.
     
    Aberdare likes this.
  19. garth manor

    garth manor Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2009
    Messages:
    484
    Likes Received:
    86
    If the WSR is indeed in need of funds as reported taking the £ 120k externally offered cash up front, assuming this is a genuine offer, and the £ 50k spare cash readily pledged by supporters towards the purchase of a loco far from restoration as a loan, would produce £ 170k now which would go a long way if used productively. WSR already has other loco projects to pursue., the 4110 purchase seems to have been an optimistic mistake.
     
  20. Greenway

    Greenway Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2008
    Messages:
    2,575
    Likes Received:
    2,269
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    South Hams
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    If 'hired engines' are deemed to be at the bottom of the list then how would the new loco owning group proceed? Restoration will be costly - and I suspect protracted. If and when achieved, hiring would be the principal method of recouping some costs and maintaining the loco.
    Hired locos will still continue to be a feature on the WSR, it appears, for some while. The new chairman and probably one or two friends are loco owners plus 4561, when it emerges, will I expect, be hired.
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2018

Share This Page