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West Somerset Railway General Discussion

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by gwr4090, Nov 15, 2007.

  1. JBTEvans

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    While there aren’t as many vehicles in traffic as there was in say 2018, there’s enough to run the timetable of today and surely that’s all that really matters?

    It seems to me after the SDR incident, there’s far more scrutiny of what carriages heritage railways are operating their trains with. It seems since then plenty have withdrawn many carriages.

    In the Bay siding at Minehead there’s basically a rake awaiting overhaul - BSO, SK, a converted buffet and a number of TSOs.

    wsr.org shows SK 25308 about to be outshopped and there’s 6705 at Washford about to be completed.

    Even with less than before, I count 18* ‘regular’ carriages were used at the Steam Gala, plus the 4 QB vehicles and BCK 21272 on the parcels/local, which has now moved on. BG 80736 wasn’t used either. There’s enough carriages for 2 rakes of 6 and a third of 7 once 25308 is back in traffic. Going back there probably was about 22-25 available at most?

    * 18 being 1 each of BCK, BSK, BSO & SK, 2 TSO converted to buffets and 12 TSOs.
     
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    mdewell Well-Known Member Friend

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    Regardless of whether I agree (I usually do) or disagree with your posts they are always interesting, so its good to have you back. Here's hoping for your continued good health.
     
  3. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    In one way it is good that the WSR seems to be healthy. In another way it is deplorable that the remaining volunteers are presumably ignoring all the nasty stuff that happened. The mystery of the half a million a year being needed or not remains. Did they lie when they said they needed it? Or are they now running on clapped out infrastructure?
     
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    Been watching from afar and the recent WSR gala looked excellent so well done to all involved.

    There is certainly a feel good factor after a good gala, but the stark reality is that the other 51 weeks of the year will make or break the season (this is true on most railways and not specific to the WSR).

    Picking up on the comment about the “best heritage railway in the county” I don’t think there will be widespread agreement as to a “winner” on Nat Pres with so many different allegiances. The fact that we have a wide variety of railways with different offerings is a much better point of celebration.

    Regards,

    Matt
     
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    Completely agree with this. There was sufficient good quality rolling stock to run a comprehensive service at the recent steam gala. That suggests that there is no "rolling stock crisis" and any suggestions to the contrary are just mischief making.
     
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    Surely you’re not surprised Ian. Look who made the claim.
     
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    .....but 'mischief' making is some folks speciality and party tricks. :D
     
  8. martin1656

    martin1656 Nat Pres stalwart Friend

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    Said person has a lifetime ban from the railway, they can't return, is that not enough, Talk about wanting revenge, this attitude does you, and the railway you support no favours, it makes you look like a very unpleasant person if I can be totally honest.
     
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  9. Robin Moira White

    Robin Moira White Resident of Nat Pres

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    About which you will all be able to read for yourselves the charges; the evidence; the process; the findings; the appeal and the HRA’s response.

    I will be presenting the facts with as little comment as possible. I’ll leave others to decide where any ‘mischief’ lays and what the tale has to teach us about (some parts of) railway heritage.
     
  10. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Just do it on the Roostery, not on here please.
     
  11. Robin Moira White

    Robin Moira White Resident of Nat Pres

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    Yes, that’s where it will be, Roostery fans.

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    Not sure whether this was meant as a personal comment or a Mod’s :) but, as a Mod, will NP be reopening the Roostery thread when Robin’s ready to post?
     
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    You seem to be under a great misapprehension, which is concomitant with most of your postings - usually guesswork or supposition. I am not connected, in any manner, with the WSR and the question of any revenge is puerile on your part. I see things from a different perspective as yourself, the author of Roostery is in the legal profession, known for concentrating on one side only of a dispute. I tend to see both sides: hence my comment. You seem to find fault or criticism on NP and being honest, like you, you seem to be a very sad person which possibly explains your manner.
     
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    Strikes me that the Roostery site is all you need. (Personal comment)
     
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    Fair enough but it’d be nice to know on NP when Robin’s made a post on it. Otherwise someone’ll probably post a link to it anyway.
     
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    I don’t think NP should have anything to do with Roostery; I’d go as far as to say that any links to it should be taken down.
    This is supposed to be a discussion forum. It’s not a discussion when one individual publicly slags off other individuals and organisations who have no ability to reply.
    When I say “no ability to reply” I think that if some “targets” choose not to be members of the forum or visit it, then they are unable to defend themselves against any allegations made publicly on that forum.
    If any individuals who were formerly associated with the WSR feel they’ve been treated wrongly by any person or body there are proper ways to complain, and the soap box method is not one of them.
     
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    What you really mean is dissenting voices should be silent What though if you find the " proper channels" are actively against you, what then? The HRA are hardly an independent arbiter, when their run by the same board room chiefs, Often the only choice people have is to walk away , I had to Walk away from being an active voluenteer when an general manager, of a railway i was working for, called me a liar, and trouble maker, and I had no avenue open to me to but to walk away, because the board then, did not stand up to him,
     
  18. Pete Thornhill

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    People are allowed to have opinions and Nat Pres doesn’t take sides but at the same time isn’t a mouthpiece for individual grievances either.

    I’m not sure I agree with you on the ability to reply bit, I’m thinking in a wider context than the WSR when making that comment but there are loads who choose not to be members which is their choice, if we did as you suggested then we wouldn’t discuss anything that LSL/Saphos trains did for example or in the new general chat we couldn’t discuss the PM because Rishi isn’t a member. At the end of the day if it’s something in the public eye then why wouldn’t we allow debate about it?

    That said, it’s a shame we have all this in-fighting, which detracts from the sensible discussion. I note nobody has answered my question regarding how financial stability has been achieved despite proclaiming that the railway is in the best shape it’s ever been in yet we have no idea as to how such a fantastic and remarkable turnaround has come about. It would be interesting to hear as the wider movement is struggling in general and it could prove useful for others to have this information.

    You could argue it’s no ones business but transparency is a positive thing, the SVR for example have been very vocal about their situation and what they are doing about it, just recently a question was asked by a member about the new resilience fund and it’s been promptly answered by a board member giving the reason behind it.

    So perhaps instead of concentrating on the rights and wrongs of what went on previously (and there are always two sides to a story), turn it on its head and share how this change in fortune has happened as we are still none the wiser as to how the railway went from needing £5 million to financial stability. It’s little things like this that sow the seeds of doubt and possibly give ammunition to those who don’t believe the remarkable turnaround has happened. Prove them wrong and allow us to applaud this achievement as I’m sure there is not one single member of this forum who will be less than pleased to hear the long term future of the WSR has been secured and along with it the ongoing maintenance & financial well-being to assure the railway isn’t in this position again, which is what we all want to see.
     
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    There is a difference between whether it is wise for an individual to post about a topic on a forum, and whether it is wise for that forum to block those posts.

    This forum has at times acted as useful channel for whistleblowing; to do as you suggest would prevent any discussion of those topics. Whether, in this specific instance, reopening the discussion is desirable is another question. I suspect I'm not alone in (a) wondering what was coming on Roostery, (b) wondering why the pause has now stopped, and (c) thinking that it might be better for all concerned to move on.
     
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    I can't believe that "The Roostery" doesn't have a function for interested parties to be notified by e-mail when new posts are made: if not, then it really should have.
     

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