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Titanic Carriages

Discussion in 'Heritage Rolling Stock' started by Alan Kebby, Apr 30, 2021.

  1. Duty Druid

    Duty Druid Part of the furniture

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    Now that the LSWRCG & the TTBTHT seem to be out in the open, it would seem that now is the ideal time for us to break cover - we've kept quiet up until now!!!

    (Nice to see there's an interest in both the Ironclads & the LSWR dinning carriages!)

    First off, I am a founding member of the LSWRCG which was formed approx 18 months ago, and is made up of MHR volunteers, who volunteer in different aspects of the railway, but share a common interest in bring the BTK back to its former glory & running on the MHR - unfortunately covid struck not long after our formation & has since hampered any progress, but we have managed to do some work on it, the main one being to take pics before the open end bodyside was pulled down to prevent it becoming a danger to passing trains & despite what it looks like, its in prettty good nick - the frames & wheelsets appear to be sound, as do the compartments.

    In the early days we were alerted to the BTK at the P&B along with two other carriages, if we wanted them - sadly lockdowns & work prevented us from actually getting down there to view the vehicles & every time we were about line something up, something covid related put paid to it!

    Then, out of the blue, there was an article on BBC South about the two dinning carriages highlighting their plight & the fact that there was every chance they were used in the boat trains from Waterloo to Southampton carrying the unknowing passengers to their death on the Titanic......... The fact it then went national meant that the British Titanic Society saw the article & wanted to save them.

    Our Chairman contacted the BTS to suggest a collaboration between the two groups, to which, after several meetings, they agreed. It was also agreed that a seperate body needed to be formed to protect the carriages, so The Titanic Boat Train Heritage Trust (of which, I am a Trustee) waa formed, with the stated aim of restoring them to how they would have been in 1912 & running them on the MHR.

    So, just to be clear, the TTBTHT is a collaboration between the BTS & the LSWRCG, with its board of trustee's being made up from these two groups, and nothing to do with the MHR*.

    Also, please bear in mind that the TTBTHT is also in its infancy and, thanks to covid, getting all the pieces of the jigsaw to fall into place, are taking longer than we would like, which is why the website isn't yet fully functional - as soon as it is, trust me you'll know about it!!

    The two carriages are currently being worked on, as time allows, to clear them of crud & brace them prior to being transported to Hampshire, once this is completed, they will be moved to a facilty (away from the MHR) to allow them to be worked on under cover.

    * Please note that altough the TBTHT is a stand alone organisation, the MHR are fully supportive of us and what we are striving to achieve, so much so that we can call upon them for help & advice as and when we need it, along with any kit.

    I hope the above sheds some light on things, and, as and when there is any news to impart, we will do so, but don't be surprised if its sporadic.

    Cheers

    Dave
     
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  2. Alan Kebby

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    Thanks for the update. Good to hear a bit more detail around the plans, and the fact that the BTK is also included in the plans. Looking forward to following the progress on this, and hopefully having the BTS involved will help accelerate progress.
     
  3. Duty Druid

    Duty Druid Part of the furniture

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    Thank you Alan for your kind comment, but please remember that this venture is a stand alone from the BTS & LSWRCG, and there is one 'magic' word in all of this ..... Titanic!

    As said, I wil endeavour to keep folks updated as and when as much as possible - there's a lot of mundane stuff going on at the mo, but its nowt to shout about - yet.......
     
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    martin1656 Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Great to hear some very good news over these carriages and that the BTK is part of those plans, Will the second BTK at some stage become part of those plans, as the owner is said to be moving it else where, Are there any plans to if possible acquire, further vehicles or underframes, to add further vehicles to the rake, The original Iron clad kitchen car, was lost in a fire some years ago, and this would certainly be one vehicle that should be part of an re created LSWR coach rake if only for operational reasons to create an stand alone rake, if period dining is the plan, it would be expensive, as it would be all new construction, and hard wood isn't cheap but it would finish the rake, if you had BTK,, Dining car, Kitchen car Dining car, BTK .
     
  5. Alan Kebby

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    I’d imagine the LSWRCG have more than enough on their plate at the moment Martin. As mentioned in previous posts, 1357 is moving to the Gwendraeth Railway. So at least it’s future is assured and it’s being looked after. Always possible that it might make a move to Hampshire in future.

    It would be nice to think the collection could grow in future. The TK at Horsebridge would be a nice addition. However that is currently well looked after and nothing to sugggest it would be available.
     
  6. Alan Kebby

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    The TTBTHT website seems to have been updated, and includes details of the planned timescales, costs and schedules of work.

    Construction of a restoration shed in Hampshire is mentioned. Will be interesting to see where this is, as a previous post indicates it will not be at the MHR.

    A Target completion date of 2025 is given. Seems ambitious, but the Titanic connection should open up a new stream of funding from those interested in the ship, rather than just railway enthusiasts,

    https://titanicboattrainheritagetrust.org/objective/
     
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  7. Duty Druid

    Duty Druid Part of the furniture

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    Indeed, the website has been updated, and since then more content has been added, and will continue to be as and when time allows, BUT most importantly, the donations page is now live, and if you believe in us and what we are aiming to achieve, you can help us with a donation, large or small to help us achieve our goal!

    There was also a working party earlier in the week & car 76 is now finally clear of accumulated detritus & ready for the timbers to be braced & car 70 is planned to be worked on this coming week & it should be a quicker job to clear it of crud ready for bracing, as it doesn't contain the amount #76 did......

    So, once the carriages have had bracing timbers fitted, it won't be long before they are transported back to Hampshire.
     
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    Update,

    The website is now coming on in leaps & bounds, with the news section up to date, though the news of todays working party will be added at some point tomorrow, and the online shop is also up and running, but not proceesing orders just yet!

    Please take the time to have a look, and any constructive feedback would be most welcome & no doubt taken on board. https://titanicboattrainheritagetrust.org/
     
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    Half of me is pleased to hear of this. The other half just thinks ''about thirty years too late''! At least the Mid Hants are making a start.
     
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    That's the spirit Paul...

    Anyway, a very informative website, for a very worthy project. I look forward to watching it progress and, maybe one day, have a ride in them, perhaps with a T3 upfront...? :)
    2025 does seem a remarkable target, that requires over £300,000 to be raised every year. Is this planned to all be from public donations, will grant funding be sought? I know nothing of the British Titanic society, do they sit on a well of potential funds, or is it just access to more potential donors?

    PS. One very minor spacing issue on the front page of the website, the text just below the scrolling colourised carriage drawing overlaps the photo for the first line.
     
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    Alex,

    Once we have achieved charitable status, the reasons for the delay explained up thread, then we can apply for & hopefully get grant funding.... we know ther is no cat iron certainty of that, but this is a very 'unique' project.

    The timescales on the website at the mo are jus there for illustrative purposes only, and will be updated once we have to carriages at close quarters, and can then start getting acurate costs etc, as currently with the vehicles still in Wales, its best to wait until then!

    And thanks for the heads up, re the text, will let the website guru know.
     

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