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Discussion in 'International Heritage Railways/Tramways' started by Saint, Jul 4, 2017.

  1. Martin Perry

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    Some great work going on there
     
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    Thank you, thank you very much.

    Anyway, I just got some pictures from the last open day.

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    n the shuffling madness
    Of the locomotive breath...

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    :Singing:Knock-knock-knockin' on heaven's door (visitors patiently wait to enter. Many, many, many thanks to these gentle persons!)

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    :Singing:But don't tell me there's nothing coming, you don't fool me...

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    :Singing:If you're happy and you know, sanitize your hands! :Smuggrin: (full anti-pandemic procedures where applied during the whole day. We don't want to be linked with sad memories...)

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    :Singing: We're gonna rock around the turntable today...

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    Comfort food for those waiting... [I swear, no more songs!]

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    Well and less know details of out locomotive. The constructor plate (Ernesto Breda) is well known, but the coal bunker in the left water tank is much less known. The engine is old enough to have the driver on the right side.

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    I praise our visitors that patiently waited in queue.

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    The engine on the platform with details of old and light rail chairs, actually no chair, just a plate and bolt.
     
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    Stupendo! After moving house I see that it's now only 3 1/2 hours drive to Primolano. I shall have a chat with the folks at Novegro this weekend to see if anyone fancies a trip.
     
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    We will have next open days on October 10th. Please, feel free to contact me if you think I can provide useful informations.
     
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    Saturday: cleaning up the mess
    https://youtu.be/5xGSQmS-fac

    Saturday a volunteer team cleaned up the fire tubes of the 880.001 and that was the yard just after cleaning the boiler [© Luca Pettinato/SVF].

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    but just a few our after the yard was clean again [Copyleft Gianozia Oriantale/SVF]

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    The inside of the workshop wagon before tiding up [© Luca Girardi/SVF] :

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    And after [© Luca Girardi/SVF] :
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    One last thing about the previous Open Day, we would like to thank Mr. Van Sten, our Dutch member, for being part of the Open Day! He holds a record now!


    Sunday: Open Day in "A" Signal Box.


    We had a successful open day in Cabina A despite pandemic limitations and bad weather in the afternoon, but in the morning the weather was fine and our visitors were able to enjoy the panorama of the station . We limited the admission to 4 visitors outside and 4 inside. As you may see, waiting outside was not that bad.

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    One of our visitor is a professional train dispatcher, we are glad that we pleased such a competent attendance by showing the full procedure required to set up the required route by operating first point levers, then the appropriate route lever that freezes the implied point levers and those other point and route levers that may conflict with the newly created route. Nicolò, the guy that is doing most of the work to restore the signal box, first explains the route the train would have performed and then let the visitors move the levers. Each point lever ha to be moved in steps, as in the real life: check that you control the device - first short step -, command the point movement, and wait for the movement to end - longer step, a warning sound plays - and finally complete the movement after the relays have commuted and the sound stop. Nicolò explained also the other behaviour of the device that have not yet re-activated, i.e. setting again a danger a signal set to clear (requires unlocking the lever by the train exiting the route). Once the lever is again in the danger position, the route can be "destroyed" and the point lever freed.

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    After showing the (former) command and control devices for the western part of Padua railway station, Nicolò shows how the Manual Block Device operated between two different stations. This device is both a telegraph for requesting permission, the one for giving permission and the block device all in one single box. With this device is the train itself that acts ad a token.

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    Our "Istrumenti di blocco FS" (FS Block Devices) come from a two track line, so giving permission does not block you when attempting to require permission of the other lever of a device where you gave permission.

    Ant this all for now. We plan also to present our modelling branch. Do not expect to see great layout, we just tested that the tracks work. What will be a success will be to have visitors and to attract them to our activities.
     

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    Hopefully planning to be there on the 10th October. I had a long chat with Marco M at Novegro.
     
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    We are a museum.

    We are officially a museum, having being recognized as such by Veneto Region. This is an important milestone because it will ease the founding proce$$. Furthermore we found a sponsor, Antenore Energia, and this is a good news too.

    C'mon baby light my fire

    On Sunday 10/10/2021 we staged the last open door for 2021. Since we do not run train on a per-day basis, we light and shut down the 880 001 engine for each open door event. This is a process that starts Friday night, when the engine is shunted outside the shed, usually by the Sogliola.

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    [All the above pictures are © Luca Pettinato / SVF]

    Ready... Set...

    Saturday is the clean up, set up and test day. For the next Sunday Open Day the main consist will be composed by our two passenger coaches (two axle car first) and the British Loading Gauge van, to represent the bicycle transporting section of the train. The fourth van was not added since we do not have very long tracks available and having more engine puffing is preferable.

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    One of the two bike-draisines parked at the end of the track (until we add some more meter of Truck). Thee sign says "this 1945 quadricycle is in load for use from RFI to Società Veneta Veneta Ferrovie and preserved in the Pimolano Locomotive Shed'

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    Go!

    And finally we had our last Open Day (but for 2021 only). We had a very nice weather, even if cold when not directly lit by the sun.

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    The operation started with a briefing from Federico, our chairman.

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    Then we manned al the stations, including the reception, where the access procedures are enforced according pandemic rulings. And then ...

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    ... our esteemed visitors, who were free to visit the site, the coaches under a pleasing sun. The best thing for our visitors where the maneuvers of the rolling stock:

    https://youtu.be/HbzjwU8K61k the Valsugana Touristic Train demo consist maneuvers in the yard;

    https://youtu.be/ZcVvzRVsjYU and taken from the other side, on the loading platform;

    https://youtu.be/Iqh4ONs1b0c the 880.001 crosses the double switch that is even older than the engine, having being built at the end of the 19th century

    Our internal combustion vehicles had their parade too:

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    I had the luck that Damiano, driving the yellow draisine, had to run first rearwards, so he was more than happy to hitch me a ride as front semi-intelligent-early-warning-system :Wacky:

    A note about the cube, the second vehicle in the parade. I discovered - during a ride :) - that it is fitted with a cab-operated link that, once repaired, will let us couple/uncouple it without leaving the engine.

    Next week we will mothball the engine for winter, the Wednesday before the Open Day we had severe bad weather and the snow appeared on the mountains, so it's better to hurry up.

    We have activities planned for the scale model branch, we will have a sort of Open Evening in the room where "H0 methadone" is administered to the more serious cases of railway addiction, and then we will show our, now still embrional, layout in a Mall, that will require an effort comparable or superior to that of a fair since we will need to "man the stations" during all opening hours for a week. But we will be closer to XMas...
     
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    I'm sorry I did not make it to Primolano on Sunday. Family matters got in the way, skipping the mass for the mother in law's passing would have not been a good idea for future railway days... Lovely pictures. I know a few of the live steam group attended and were very impressed. One day I will get to Primolano.
     
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    Condolences from SVF to you and (mostly) to your wife.

    I understand fully, my mother in law is now like a toy with depleted batteries...

    Don't worry, we'll be back :Borg: :). Who knows, the future could bless us with a sincere politician that will let us turn that switch to the railway network and passenger transport during the Open Days.
     
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    I find your posts very interesting - keep them coming and best wishes to the project!
     
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    A visitor video, in the end someone that could be Michelin Bibendum or the Marshmallow man from Ghostbusters leave the yellow inspection vehicle :D

     
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    While the 880.001 and the "Cube" have been readied for the incoming winter, having the boiler or the cooling system emptied, in Padua Nicolò uses some spare parts salvaged from a donor recovered in Primolano and reactivated another lever in the Cabina A.

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    Discs to rebuild a damaged electric combiner, on the floor, near the bottles, a combiner shaft.

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    E pluribus unum! From parts salvaged, a functioning combiner is rebuilt, ready to be refitted in the lever frame

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    Multiple combiners in the frame.
     
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    A couple of photos from Primolano in December 2015. The shed is just visible to the right of the loco in the first photo. The water crane worked but had frozen in position so couldn't move to water the loco!

    It would be great to finally see 880.001 out on the line, it's absolutely stunning.

    @Saint has almost certainly seen them, but there are some brilliant films on YouTube of the line in steam days, filmed by a Swiss chap called Arnold Siegrist.




     
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    True. The building on the left is the unused "Ferrhotel" (Railway hotel) and was meant to host FS service persons when there were early morning trains starting from Primolano. Sadly it was built but scarcerly used.
    And sadly, that part of the station is outside our jurisdiction even if we have several spaces on loan of use within the station building. There is work to be done there too, both to create housing for the volunteers and an exhibit of memorabilia and relics.

    The train in the picture belongs to "Fondazione FS", a foundation owning a very large, single company collection of rolling stock used both for museum exhibits - mostly in Pietrarsa Railwat Museum and on loan to Leonardo da Vinci museum in Milano - and active. I think this collection could be larger that that in Didcot since includes steam engines, electric engines, diesel engines, coaches, DMUs and EMUs, included the fast ETR 220 - a rebuilt ETR 200, speed record holder in the past - the fabulous ETR 300 "Settebello" (Seven of Diamonds, a special card in some popular games), currently under restoration and the smaller (4 units instead of 7) Etr250 "Arlecchino" (Harlequin, the color of the seats change in each unit, if I am right they are red, green, blue and brown).

    This is the hardest problem. Italy had always a centrally-controlled railway system, even when we had private companies in the 19th century and there was never something like the "Light Railway Act". Therefore, even today, railways are regulated by a bureaucratic central Authority that regulated that trains on an active line must be manned by personnel not only qualified, but also that works for a licensed railway company, at least the engineer and the guard (the fireman may be a volunteer qualified to handle steam generators). And when you fall in a field that has no explicit rule, it is even worse, because nothing prevents someone from interpreting existing rules the way he/she thinks suits the case, and those interpretation might either allow or prohibit something, and in this case is a problem because the times to sort out if the prohibition is fair or not are looooong. That's why we do not carry passengers on our own rails, because we knew that in some interpretations, even our own rails, once passengers are on board the train, must be considered as "mainline", requiring again the kind of professional personnel we need to take the train on the Valsugana railway, as planned since 2006...

    The first is a video from a visitor with the hobby of railway videos (toward the end it shows me leaving the yellow draisine). The other are historic documents, showing the last steam services on the northern part of the line. Whenever rolling stock is gray, they are ballast trains. The tank engine belongs to the 940 class, a tank version of the 740 class shown in the pictures in the original post.

    The third one has some peculiar images, like those with the decauville that served the coaling crane in Trento or the mechanincal signal and repeaters in Pergine.
     
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    Pictures taken a few minutes ago by Luca Pettinato [© Luca Pettinato/SVF] of the Nicolò workin to restore combiners in the Cabina A lever frame
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    (Nicolò is also the guy who turns the switch at the beginning of the long video a visitor made during our last OpenDay)
     

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