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Rolling Stock For Sale

Discussion in 'Heritage Rolling Stock' started by steamwife, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. weltrol

    weltrol Member Friend

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    This was the vehicle listing concerned:

    Its original Cambrian number was either 176 or 178
    The GWR allocated 4070 and 4072 respectively
    Both were withdrawn from trafficin May 1936


    Cambrian Bow Ended Observation Saloon (scrapped)





    Present Location Lands End (scrapped)
    County Location Cornwall
    Designed For Cambrian
    Type TZ
    Gauge 4ft 8 1/2in
    Wheel Arrangement Body only
    Original Underframe No
    Original Bogies/Wheelsets No
    Additional Notes Bow ended observation carriage rebuilt from one of the 6 wheel thirds c 1916. The body of this vehicle was used as a summer-house on a cliff top near Land's End. Scrapped by 09/05.
    Owner Private
    Rarity Unique
    Historical Importance Very Important
    Storage Open
    Operating No
    At Risk No
    Date Record Last Updated 18/09/2016


    Apparently the owner was building a new property on the land at the time
     
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    Council planners can sometimes do something. I know a case in Worcestershire where an ex- Midland Railway coach had been lived in, the owner died and the executors applied for redevelopment. The Council got the retention and conservation of the coach a requirement of planning permission. Don't know how it turned out though, but it's worth knowing when cases turn up. There is a market for character properties in attractive locations, which this one was.
    Retention of a structure for subsequent conservation elsewhere can similarly be a requirement: usually for timber-framed buildings but I see no reason it couldn't apply to a carriage body.
     
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    It's not a BTO I had a look in it some years ago. It is some sort of semi open (looking at where partitions have been removed). It's a Great Northern, a very early Gresley and the underframe has very serious corrosion of the underframe.

    That said it is an interesting carriage and deserving of restoration but it's one for somebody with deep pockets if they want to do it properly.

    Sawdust.
     
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    Probably worth the asking price for the teak that's on it!
     
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    Is there anything similar to it elsewhere? A brake semi-open sounds a lot like the Bulleid coach at Swanage (S4365)
     
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    We have a Gresley underframe of the same type, and which has minimal corrosion, available at Llangollen for next to nothing.

    Bob.
     
  8. JWKB

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    For Sale BR DRA 81547 Heavy Duty Crane built 1958

    For Sale BR Heavy Duty Crane, this vehicle is now surplus to requirement and available for sale. Currently located on the Gwili Raliway this vehicle is in operational condition and is currently LOLER certified.

    http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=16139

    For further information contact James Buckley on 07495 409291 or jamesbuckley @ evan-evans.com
     
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    Tempting, as is the star item of the auction.

    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/...0619/lot-de133d6c-3cbe-44b4-bf34-ac0600cb36d7

    Not sure the missus would appreciate that for her birthday though!
     
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  13. Jamessquared

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    Is her name Berverley? That might provide the beginnings of a justification. “Look Beverley darling, for your birthday I’ve bought you something beautiful with your name on it”. (Beverley swoons imagining pretty silver necklace inlaid with jewels. Husband meanwhile is investigating low cost hanger space on local airfields and farms ...)

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    I can’t see much problem in buying it or even finding somewhere to display it. It’s how you comply with the small print: “Buyer to remove......”
     
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    In connection with the small print stating "the Buyer is responsible for removal". I've seen a couple of YouTube videos showing one of the Canadian Aviation groups dismantling an Avro Lancaster into it's component parts/sections, for transportation to another site for restoration. They are/were quite interesting, as the Lancaster is made in a series of modular parts, which are to a degree easy to dismember for replacement of damaged parts etc.
     
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    I think my wife (not a Beverley) would be looking up divorce lawyers were I to try...


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    A number of Bluebell carriages have been listed as "for sale" in the carriage stock list, as follows:

    Pullman car No. 76 - https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/car76.html

    LMS design sleeping cars:
    https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/398.html
    https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/603.html
    https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/623.html

    Mark 1 composite sleeping car
    https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/staff_qos.html

    Not listed as for sale, but my understanding is that the Maunsell TPO is also for sale: https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pics/tpo_4922.html

    Tom
     
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    There's a Grampus showing up as for Disposal too. I did inquire as it mentioned possibly being broken for spares, but never heard back.
    https://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/pic2/wagons/grampus984506.html
     
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    That's a shame about the LMS sleepers. I completely understand the logic of taking on the ex-Caledonian Sleeper Mk IIIs which I presume will replace them, but one cannot help worrying that these will soon be "at risk" if no other heritage railway has a use for them.

    Possibly a silly question but I wonder whether it would be feasible to convert them into day coaches? After all, the SVR has done that with one of its Gresley pigeon vans, and you could always cheat a bit and use modern fittings for the interior (perhaps even from all those Mk IVs that are currently going to the scrapheap!). Certainly a big compromise in heritage terms, but surely better than seeing them scrapped altogether?
     

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