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E1 for the IOWSR and 46447 to go on loan to ESR

Discussion in 'Heritage Railways & Centres in the UK' started by gwalkeriow, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    <PedantMode>

    Actually it wouldn't - when 110 went to the CRC, she had a Stroudley boiler and chimney. This was 5th April 1927. Her new boiler was supplied "within a short time of taking up her new duties" (Source: DL Bradley) which would fit with the September 1929 date given by "32110".

    </PedantMode>

    Tom
     
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    Miff Part of the furniture Friend

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    Yes`- see my 'Doh' post above. Remarkably woolly thinking on my part!
     
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    Quoting Bradley again:

    So industrial livery would be right before the new boiler was fitted, but note that a Marsh boiler would be technically wrong for CRC No 9 (hence my pedantmode comment) - it would be need to be a Stroudley boiler, which personally I'd love to see, but would be wrong for an Island E tank.

    And as this thread has probably made amply clear: the reboilering history and chimney variations of Stroudley and Billinton tank engines can be an absolute minefield!

    Tom
     
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    Other posts have said that the present boiler was built by Bagnalls. It is quite possible that the boiler they supplied was a fair copy of the old boiler. This was quite a common occurrence when boilermakers had to replace a boiler. If this was the case (and it may or may not be), would you call this a Stroudley boiler?
     
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    gwalkeriow Well-Known Member

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    The Bagnall boiler is very different to the original, the side tanks and I believe the cab had to be modified to allow the new boiler to be fitted. One major difference being a larger diameter barrel.
     
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    Forget that ideas, then!
     
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    Like others I'm disappointed that 110 isn't going to end up on the Bluebell, the only truely appropriate home for her. However, the IOW railway have done some good things in terms of keeping elderly locomotives in service.

    We must consider that having 110 on the island does allow a bright future for the larger Stroudley tank designs. Based on the terriers, the engine will at some point need a new set of cylinders, and may at some stage need new wheels, the patterns for which will be a good start to building a replica island E1 as well as being a start on building replicas of Stroudley's stunning D1 tanks.

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    The key point is that both of these locos will be returned to steam in the foreseeable future, something which appeared to have a low probability for both locos until now. On top of that, they will both be working in areas where their classmates worked before. Congratulations to the IWSR, the ESR, the Ivatt Trust's founders and the E1's owner for making such a bold decision.
     
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    Well said that man ! To me it's a win ,win situation all round . For once a good news story with the promise of both loco's retuning to steam in the future ,which otherwise was very unlikly to happen . well done all concerned
     
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    In your opinion. Lighten up guys, she's going to a Southern line totally appropriate for the class and with an excellent pedigree of Victorian locomotive care. If I were an IOWSR man I'd find some of the posts on this thread quite offensive.

    The Bluebell is a lovely line but it is not the only Southern line. You may as well say the only appropriate home for a 45xx is the WSR.
     
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    Not sure quite what you mean by this - it's true that 110 wasn't an Island engine, but the E1s were certainly closely associated with the railways of the IoW, particularly in their later years. So it seems a good base for her (and that is me as a Bluebell volunteer speaking - yes it would be great if she was based at the Bluebell, but the IoWSR can probably give her a quicker resurrection ; she will fit right in with their overall "feel" and I am sure that they will continue to treat her with the care such an old lady deserves).

    If we only had engines on lines that were "approriate" for them, then on the Bluebell it would be goodbye 27, 178, 323, 263, 592, 65, 9017, 21C123, 34059, 92240, 75027, 73082, 488, 96, 27505, 3, 847 ...

    Tom (Volunteer at the "SECR in Exile Railway Preservation Society")
     
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    My point Tom was that the Bluebell is a Brighton line, and 110 is a Brighton engine that can never correctly carry the mods that the island engines had. That said, I should probably have included the Spa Valley as an appropriate home. Yes it wouldn't have been able to get a speedy overhaul at the Bluebell, but it would have happened eventually to Brighton condition. Not to worry, as I also said, I hope 110 can be the starting point for building replica D1s, engines which are totally appropriate on the Bluebell, and I feel would be useful off peak engines.
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    If that argument were imposed rigorously there would not be a preservation movement.
     
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    Now, there I am with you - with the extension to EG, a D tank would actually be a much more practical "off peak" engine than the Terriers, as it has slightly more TE to get over "Mount Imberhorne" as well as having more coal and water capacity. But that is a discussion for another thread...

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    I think the Bluebell have enough ex southern engines of their own not doing anything its nice to see other railways getting hold of some and using them!
     
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    Do not forget that the Brighton did have a presence on the Island, the section from St Johns to Ryde Pierhead was Jointly built by the LSWR & the LBSCR. There is always that faint chance that one day in the distant future that the IOWSR may run on part of that section.

    The Isle of Wights locomotives and rolling stock were drawn from most of the Southern pre-grouping companies, LCDR, SECR, LBSCR, LSWR as well as others MR, NLR, Metropolitan etc. A very eclectic assortment!
     
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    Would look interesting with larger tanks,cab and bunker and a N pony truck at the back .:behindsofa:

    Keith
     
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    Why didnt you buy the loco and take it to the Bluebell??

    Good to see that it is going to be restored.
     
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    Another livery possibility would be full malachite sunshine livery, in the southern and the BR versions. The Island being the Island things got painted into incorrect liveries, the correct colour should have been black, but St Johns did things differently.
     
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    Then you would have motive power problems!! I don't think 110 could make up for that.
     

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