The unfortunate truth is that most newbuild groups lack the ability to actually fundraise to achieve their aims. 4709 isnt alone in this, and is trying to find short cuts. As it stands only a handful of new builds will work from the list of ones originally mooted. I suppose at what point does a group/society hold their hands up and say enough is enough. This is where i have full respect for the Manchester United project, they tried, realised it was a dead duck and did the right thing and moved on.