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Current and Proposed New-Builds

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by aron33, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. The Green Howards

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    So when do we declare National Sh*te Day?!
     
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    A few lines do have some suitable carriages - didcot, bluebell, butterley, kwvr, churnet valley off the top of my head.
     
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    Checking the Vintage Carriage people's lists there's plenty out there to hunt down and make offers to as well.... Wagons n all.
     
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    Actually the one new build old carriage I would like to see would be the LSWR dining car that was destroyed in the fire at ropley.
     
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    Livery froth over Bessie ? Or is there any truth in the rumour that Bessie is going to be converted into a mock Austerity?

    A good episode would see the Trumpton fire brigade scrambled because Bessie can't take water following a dispute over payment for use of the water column at the docks.

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    I must admit the missing Edwardian designs are what gets most peoples juices going, mostly because of the might have beens and the ones that so nearly made it, only to be cut up at the 11th hour, As regards suitable coaches, as railways own rebuilding skills get better each year, we morn the ones we lost earlier in preservation, those that we didn't have the facilities to restore, so let go,where as now we can in effect build almost new coaches such is the amount to wood that's renewed, but of course you need the originals to copy from, but nothing is now impossible, new chassis have been made, in both metal and wood, to me any new build has to be to replace a missing object, for instance, the IOW SR will need to produce a brake vehicle for the ashbury rake at some point, and what better to go with it than a turn of the century 2-4-0 BP replica
     
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    Also, I’d argue a couple of other things. There are no longer going to be the same supplies of mk1s for railways to use, and I think that these days people are looking for something more. Vintage trains are lovely, but at the same time, they are valuable historical objects and you don’t want them thrashed into the ground, so new build heritage stock (similar to what I saw being done on various narrow gauge railways) may become more common.

    New build carriages can have improvements built into them, I am not sure anyone wants a return to gas light, toilets dumping onto the track etc accessibility can also be built in. Compromised I’m sure, but if it helps bring in punters then that can only be a good thing.
     
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    It'd be nice to see what the Mk3's modified by the A1 Trust look like as they'll provide a nice pool of stock, or even the possibility of good riding frames for the basis of new-build preservation stock.
     
  10. paulhitch

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    Or the big chufferites.

    PH
     
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    I’d like to see a return to that. Modern trains with retention tank toilets all invariably stink.
    (Mind you, I don’t have to maintain the carriage bogies or the track...)


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    The platforms in Paddington always used to have a ‘distinctive aroma’ in summer as I recall. I think for the well being of track volunteers i’d favour anything that isn’t going to leave anything nasty on the track.
     
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    True of any terminal platform where sleeper services were involved .... and one missing aspect of historically authentic railway ambience over the passing of which I'm not even the slightest bit heartbroken!
     
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    I must admit, any modern retention tank train toilet always stinks, but I dare say that could be tackled by having a more acceptable small to mark the small of the contents, its not that difficult and one problem that should have been foreseen,
    yes I can remember the platform stench at any major railway station in a hot summer, or seeing the bit of paper waving in the wind in the four foot, As for the job of those working on the bogies, well the very first job I had to do when removing a bogie was to steam clean the area under the discharge tube where its directly under the bogie to remove whats been deposited there
     
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    My dept used to employ the contactors who cleaned the four foot at Paddington every night. Cost a fortune. I tried pointing out that the public toilet on platform 1 cost 20p, which was why people used the toilets in the stationary HST . I did not believe the accumulated 20p's added up to the cost of removing the accumulated waste, but no-one wanted to listen.
     
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    Sorry mate but I dont think so ,ask the men who worked on them .Not a patch on an A4 (LNERS best pacific) or a double chimney A3.
     
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    What about a pair of Garratts, one LMS one LNER:Resistanceisfutile:
     
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    I was mulling that over after the 3'6" gauge discussion. An SG Garratt would be quite popular to hire out to Gala events, although road transport would be interesting.
    Then again, what about the mythical quadraplex super Garratt?
     
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    Yes, there isn't a huge amount of 3'6" interest, really the GMA Garratts is what I had in mind. Perhaps it would be cheaper building a pair of monsters and great history too. Gresley order was originally for 2 of them so it may even have a works number:Googleit:
     
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    If I remember correctly, in David Wardale's book "Red Devil", he considered, with the benefit of hindsight, that the modifications he applied to the class 25 may have been more appropriate on one of the Garratts.
     

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