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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Orion, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. Jamessquared

    Jamessquared Nat Pres stalwart

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    Update on the Bluebell Standard 2 project: there is a lot in there about the pattern for the rear pony truck frame, which will be shared with the 82045 project.

    http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/loco_news/oh_84030.html (follow link to Newsletter No. 16)

    and photo here:

    http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/locos/84030/84030-pics/84030_hind_truck_pattern.jpg

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    Jimc Part of the furniture

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    Is anyone wondering whether they should have built a tender instead of converting it, what with the line extension?
     
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    But an 84xxx is a vernacular southern region loco, and will also be unique, while a 78xxx is neither. The 84xxx will have enough water capacity for a round trip and - given it is not dragging tender round - may actually have a slightly higher load limit.

    Also, given what needed to be done (frame extensions + pony truck + one new set of wheels + side tanks vs tender frames + three sets of wheels + tender tank), I doubt there is much in it in complexity.

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    On the other hand what is the likelihood of the other 3 std 2 moguls all in use and requiring tenders at the same time? Could have loaned one whilst slowly constructing a new one if nec?
     
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    Read the first paragraph of what I wrote! An 84xxx meets the objectives of our long term plan (specifically, being a BR(S) loco). A 78xxx doesn't.

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    Fair enough, point made. It's academic anyhow as the 84xxx project is well advanced.
    Did you mean vernacular or indigenous btw?
     
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    Indigenous :oops: Was thinking "vernacular architecture" and applying to motive power...

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    Na, its not indigenous either... Sort of equivalent to Polish migrant workers really... Might naturalised be a good word?
     
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    Bearing in mind their general usefulness for branch line working, not nearly enough Ivatt or Riddles 2-6-2 tank engines were preserved; it will be good to see the 84xxx project come to fruition. It will 'belong to be' on the Bluebell.
     
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    Ironically with them now regularly running load 6 and the gradients around Imberhorne, is a class 2 not underpowered for Bluebell requirements now ?.

    Might have been an ideal branch line loco in 1960, but many preserved line loadings today would make a class 3/4 more desirable.
     
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    Who knows what traffic will be like by time 84030 is finished? We might have slipped back from 2013 levels (which are quite likely a peak caused by opening of the extension). Or we might have extended the platforms to seven coaches and have seen a continued long-term rise in passenger numbers.

    But, that said: the Golden Arrow and Wealden Rambler trains are about 140 tons and 110 tons in their current configuration, and would clearly be bread and butter for a Std 2 (and, if times became more prosperous, could probably be stretched by a coach and still be within the limit - at least the WR could). Plus during peak times, we ran 6 + 6 coaches last year, but for quite a lot of the year, we might run 6 + 5 or 6 + 4. And of course, some of our sets enable passenger loadings equivalent to six Mark 1s in a train weight equivalent to about four or five.

    So my guess is that, even if we carry on being busy, there will still be plenty of work for a reliable class 2 loco. Essentially, our weekend loadings went from needing Big + Medium + Medium locos each weekend, to Big + Big + Medium. So even if nothing changes, a Medium (class 2) loco will still be useful.

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    Hmmm, we need to be careful not to slip into an "New General Chat" type discussion... (Heard at the back of the engine shed, two Chatham engines having a gripe: "Those naturalised locos. They come over 'ere and steal our trains. Grumble grumble...")

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    Do you mean the "Germans" (SECR joke)
     
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    Don't mention ze var! Or, for that matter, ze L1 (SR version)...

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    Never mind the Chatham engines grumbling, you've got 80064 and 1618 asking when it will be their turn!
     
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    Highly likely I'd say. I don't know what the plans are for '22 but '18 is coming along and '19 is likely to be overhauled again fairly quickly I would think. I wouldn't be at all surprised if all 3 end up in steam together in the next 10 years.
     
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    The Tkp at Wansford's still on the market if they're after Polish labour. ;)
     
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    Is there any progress on the E4 class?
     
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    I doubt it because the whole loco will have to be dismantled to be able to do the repairs


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