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82045 The way ahead?

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Kinghambranch, May 24, 2008.

  1. boldford

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    Progress continues with much welding, machining and drilling of frame stretcher components prior to a monumental rivetting session.
     
  2. when 82045 was first launched as an idea, it APPEARED to be another white elephant like Big Bertha and some others that never got off the ground, but after much talking with Chris Proudfoot from 82045 and watching progress, i have to say i think 82045 is ahead of many peoples expectations, and certainly NO LONGER a white elephant, but in fact is very real and well on the way to being a real loco, maybe one day 82045 and 43106 may be seen double heading or even 82045 and 80079 ?
    GOOD LUCK TO ALL INVOLVED WITH 82045, MAY THERE ALWAYS BE STEAM IN YOUR BOILER =D>
    http://www.82045.org.uk
     
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    Thanks Pesmo. In truth, the hornblock pattern was very easy but the cores within cores certainly exercised the little grey cells in making the coreboxes. :-k
     
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    Mr Oldford you are hiding your light under a bushel as usual - the contribution of you and your colleagues in the carving shop is incredible, and there are many projects on the SVR that would be much the poorer without them! =D>
     
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    I like that =D> !

    And thanks for the very kind remarks. But we never know for certain if a pattern set is a goodun' until the first good casting comes out of the sand,
     
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    Well I could have used the old SVR News term of wood butcher - but what you do goes way beyond that!
     
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    =D> That tickled my impish/twisted sense of humour too. It doesn't pay to be too thin skinned here.

    Perhaps, interestingly, we frequently use materials other than wood.
     
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    Eye of newt...

    Patrick
     
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    82045

    For many reasons already stated the Stand 3 tank is a worthwhile design to persue and will prove to be a 'very usefull engine' certainly most lines that have a standard 4s think so.
    They might be a tad underpowered for certain lines at certain times
    Gets me wondering could two locos marshalled cab to cab be ran by one driver and two firemen with a push/pill style linkage ? were any standard 3's ever push/pull fitted?
     
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    Mmm, a sort of standard guage Fairlie, I stress "sort of" !!

    Mind you, it tends to be steam motive power that is in short supply around our Heritage railways, rather than drivers.

    ...Well, on "most" of our Heritage lines that is the case.... drivers, that is.

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    Fairlie nuff

    Just a musing.

    Good thing about new builds is that in the process of producing one, old skills are re learned or researched, new patterns are made, new items are ordered etc which means that when anyone in heritage needs something making/ replacing the know how/ patterns are still there that little bit longer. I fing it a little disappointing that the new builds are somehow seen to be in competion (which for funds/ man hours perhaps they are) but they all need copper for boilers , tubes, castings ,injectors, rivetts, you name it. Is there enough co opertaion between the disparate groups to club together on this kind of thing ?
     
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    Personally im all for the 3MT tank, a good idea and a sound locomotive, would love to see the mogul version as well!
     
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    There's nothing wrong with the Grange if that is what takes your fancy. It does nothing for me, though and I suspect a lot of other people share that opinion.
     
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    You either like copper caps or you don't. Simple.
     
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    The grange is how shall we say this an interesting hybrid !

    neither a full new build with all the vast majority of pieces being made , nor a rebuild of an existing locomotive(s) as with 4942, County

    GWR standardisation and availability of core components have made it a viable proposition although it could be said to suffer given the plentiful supply of other GWR 4-6-0 Survivors

    Either way we are well on our way to a Grange and in the 21st century that is something we should at least applaud
     
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    Seems an odd statement to make, if I am honest the idea of a new build patriot doesn't exactly float my boat, however if someone wishes to do so good luck to them the more the merrier as far as I am concerned.
     
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    At the risk of going off thread a little; Until relatively recently I would not really be able to tell any difference between a "Hall" and a "Grange" although I probably saw both types in the last days of steam - they were all just steam locos to me then! I think the Grange project really appeals to people who know just how good these locos were in service and how close we came to actually saving one. It was most unfortunate that one wasn't saved. There are also people like me who just welcome a chance to see an extinct loco type again even though it looks very similar to the (relatively) common Hall. Regarding the Patriot, it is a winner in my eyes even though I'm a GWR fan, since it will represent a class of locos now extinct and it won't look anything like any other 4-6-0 around. It also, as I said before, has a tremendous USP because of its name.
    Back on thread - 82045 really is the way ahead. I'm looking forward to seeing it taking shape at Bridgnorth over the weeks and months ahead.
     
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    Indeed the BR Standard 3MT 2-6-2Ts are amongst the most widely appropriate engines on our present day Heritage lines. As I understand, the class were used in BR days on:
    North Yorkshire Moors (engines based at Malton and Scarborough)
    Severn Valley (engines based at Salop, Kidderminster and Worcester)
    West Somerset (engines based at Taunton and Bath Rd)
    Vale of Glamorgan (engines based at Barry and ?Treherbert)
    Avon Valley (engines based at Bath and Bristol Bath Rd)
    Paignton & Dartmouth (engines based at Newton Abbot)
    There were also occasional appearances on the Gwili (engines based at Machynlleth/Aberystwyth).

    I am not sure if the Newton Abbot engines ever reached Buckfastleigh, or the Eastleigh engines reached the Mid-Hants or the Swanage ? Maybe someone can advise.

    David
     
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    Also on empty stock workings in & out of Waterloo right up to the end of Southern steam in 1967. I think they worked a few commuter trains as well like the Clapham-Olympia shuttles.
     

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