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6024 King Edward 1

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Champion Lodge, Sep 16, 2024.

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  1. Sidmouth

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    6024 new livery . Posted anonymously in facebook so I can't give any credit to anyone
     
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    What the.....:eek:
     
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    They've got the idea from the NYMR, and the opportunity that was being offered in return for sponsorship of 75029's overhaul..... Except, the NYMR was apparently being serious.
     
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    As photoshopping goes, it's pretty dreadful. This is the original, posted by Kall Chels Buckley Evans.

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    Yes that number looks way too small:)
     
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    I'm reliably told by a friend in the area that the King is out on a turning manoeuvre at the moment, and is booked on a Chester test run tomorrow.
     
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    6024 has always as far back as I can remember had that squeak.
     
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    It was (is) not unusual to hear a squeak from GW loco’s, invariably coming from the vacuum pump..
     
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    Being pedantic, it is an air pump as that is what is being pumped and that is how it is referred to. You can't pump a vacuum. :)
     
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    But as the air being pumped creates the vacuum, invariably referred to as a vacuum pump.
     
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    Invariably, perhaps, but done so in ignorance and totally incorrectly. The GWR always referred to it as an air pump.
     
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    Indeed so. I have in front of me a copy of a GWR official publication 'The "King" of Railway Locomotives' and there is a chapter devoted to the construction. At one point it reads:

    Many parts are now added with a view to wheeling the engine. The axle boxes are fitted in the horns and bedded on the axles; eccentric sheaves and straps are secured in position, and pistons, valves, crossheads , and air pump assembled.
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    That was in a book written for a general rather than a technical audience, but clearly that is how the railway referred to the pump, even though the purpose was to evacuate (rather than pressurise) the braking system.

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    Caustic but painfully true. They're particularly poor when it comes to radio and electronics and also to some aspects of aviation.
     
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    always good to see the spirit of goodwill to fellow human beings is in full effect on Nat Pres .....

    Whether right or wrong it has always been a crosshead vacuum pump to me , an air pump is a westinghouse
     
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    Martin, I was drawing attention to the colloquialism to which you refer is shared by the SM, not expressing any ill-will to "fellow humans" .....
    However, as a point of principle the function of the Science Museum ought to properly reflect both the common parlance and the technically correct description. Hope that opinion isn't displaying a lack of goodwill ....
     
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    I have no animosity towards anyone but it is a fact that the Science Museum Group is managed by a team woefully lacking in science or engineering qualifications.
    https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/about-us/director-and-group-executive
     
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    The squeak has always been there but is louder now than before. I've never heard a king squeak that loud from the vacuum pump
     
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    loco's of the royal road as published by the GWR does not mention air pump, unless I am missing something it doesn't reference it at all . Given reference to the "King" is there any chance your reference is about 6000 and its US tour

    every publication I have refers to a crosshead vacuum pump . the LMS handbook for enginemen refers to a vacuum ejector so in terms of naming is it not about what is created which is a Vacuum
     
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