North Yorkshire Moors Railway General Discussion

Tom has saved me the effort and I agree completely with what he has said. When running tender first uphill you can run with the water almost out of site in the knowledge that when you get to the top of the climb it will go up.
However, as 21B has said, if you have climbs in both directions you can only run tender first uphill in one direction unless you have ‘tables at both ends.
Keeping on-topic, on the NYMR the norm is to run chimney first uphill on the 1 in 49 to Goathland in the belief that it is the best thing to do in terms of water management but I don’t agree for the reasons given. Heading south, as you run into Goathland there is a substantial change in gradient and you shut the regulator leading to a significant change in water level. Braking would add to that so drivers try to avoid this by shutting off at the ideal point to simply coast to a stop without braking to reduce speed. Running in the opposite direction up through Newtondale the changes in gradient are less severe and you aren’t combining it with braking to a halt so there is no sudden significant change in water level and it is easier to avoid the water disappearing from view.
All part of a drivers knowledge and skills.

 

A better one would be to say that due to rising oil prices 2253 is going to be converted back to coal firing.

Jon

 

The name of the photographer is revealing too.

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https://nymr.eu.prod.cw.npe.accessa...shx?IDMF=bc16be37-cd3e-429f-b96f-ad8f564966e4

Version 4 of the timetable, less than 2 weeks after the first one came out! A week of Thomas at half term in May (except Thursday, oddly), but no Whitby running that week it seems.

https://www.nymr.co.uk/Event/dowt

Sounds a lot of stuff going on, but it doesn't actually say where... I assume Pickering, but it would be nice if the page said that.

 

The MHR did one year get to I think version 14 of the calendar and timetable. Most of them were never published though, and it was 2020 when the rules kept changing faster than you can say “jack”!

 

It's doing the same as Locomotion did in October, with rides to New Bridge section signal and back I believe

 

Is the normal service suspended for Thomas?

If not, the TT needs to show split colours on the calendar.

Finally sorted the clash at Grosmont but couldn't the pink and blue timetables be harmonised so the earlier train arrived at Grosmont at 1050 for an 1110 departure.

Is it wise to have two trains running within 20 minutes followed by a 2hr gap on Sunday morning?

If people are being paid to produce this stuff, the mind boggles.

 

If you go to book tickets it does say Pickering. The tickets are quoted as adult £21.45 and child £24.75, including a hefty 10% booking fee. As said elsewhere it will be a shuttle to New Bridge and back every 35 minutes. Tickets also include a trip on the NER autocar to Levisham and back. There’s no mention of any other trains running but it would be possible to run a modified T/T over the rest of the line. It would be an interesting one, though and, I suspect, put pressure on platform capacity at Pickering station if it is a success. Which I hope it will be.

 

A 10% booking fee and a 75p transaction charge as well. The mind boggles!

It almost reads that the NYMR are just the contract location for somebody else's event. I hope they are getting a decent fee...

In the FAQ's it mentions the Autocar also running between Pickering and Levisham. I'd be surprised if no Whitby trains in May half term though. Unless they are just not included in the price of the Thomas event and so no mentioned in that page.

 

The question is are Steam Railway in on the joke, or did they just get caught out?

 

Still haven't solved the conundrum of the 1420 arrival into Whitby on the Blue TT magically turning into a diesel for the return to Grosmont!

 

That trains does have a X above it which means:
X Scheduled to be hauled by a steam locomotive. However, if operational needs require, part or all of this service may be substituted by a diesel locomotive.

The use of 'may' is a bit misleading.

 

Pl

Plus it spends over 2 hours in Whitby, are they really going to leave a steam loco kicking around for 2 hours? You could just switch the diesel off.
I do admit there appear to be a number of ways in the "noted" that a diesel is described or "hinted" at.
Just like the big railway, it will be what turns up on the day

 

So the already high booking fee then has what I must assume is a fee for using the credit card to book it.
Obviously the whole debate around rip off fees for concerts etc have passed by whoever in reality is running this event.

 

The 10% booking fee is included in the prices that I quoted (£21.45 for an adult & £24.75 for a child) and not additional.
An adult Pickering -Levisham return is being advertised at £11.95 so that effectively means the Thomas event is seemingly costing £10, whixh isn't too bad. However, for two adults and two children, a simple Pickering -Levisham return trip can be had for £23.90 whilst the Thomas event would cost that family £92.40, making the Thomas event a rather expensive add-on. What's not clear is whether you can travel on the through trains as far as Levisham with your Thomas ticket but I suspect you can't. All plus booking/transaction fees.
Ticket simplicity is something the NYMR doesn't seem to be able to do.

 

There aren't an other bookable trains at present and the more I read it the more I get the feeling that there may never be on those dates. That's despite the fact they have made the 'promise' of 'school holiday savings' with the May dates clearly listed. If Thomas is departing every 35 minutes (to Newbridge and back) and the Autocar also shuttling between Levisham and back, its not impossible to squeeze something else in but it would be quite the challenge. The Autocar is listed as an approx hour journey, so unless they are moving that into the carriage sidings at some point to let something else through I imagine it will just be shuttling all day.

I look forward to seeing what they try.

 

Might just be better to remove the diesel notes and say to view loco allocation within a week of travel, or something like that.

 

It's a mess. The yellow timetable states "Scheduled to be hauled by a steam
locomotive. However, if operational
needs require, part or all of this service
may be substituted by a diesel
locomotive." for 3 services, but not the two starting in April. Yet they're obviously going to be top and tail steam and diesel due to lack of run round ability. Though I understand the diesel fleet currently consists of the pair of 37s, so they'll be relying on 100% reliability for them, or lighting up another steam loco. Despite the timetable saying the diner will be running on yellow days, when there are 5 return trips per day, there isn't a path available for it. Version 5 incoming?

 

It would be a very brave move to abandon the core service in favour of the Thomas days. It should be possible to squeeze in some all-line services but I haven't yet sat down to convince myself that a workable T/T to and from Whitby is possible. The Thomas shuttles are easy to fit in and, on an even interval service, so is the railcar. With the Thomas shuttles running every 35 minutes, it looks like a 70 minute service will operate over the rest of the line with the railcar taking one of the three train paths. A pure guess on my part, though.

 

I think I would take the guarnteed income for a Thomas Event on the school half term rather than gambling that the bridge will be propped and passed as fit for public trains 11 weeks from now. How much physical work has been completed? The 10% booking fee seems to be common to all the locations in the Uk so beyond the control of the NYMR I think.
I dont know about the NYMR but on the K&ESR cashflow is at its lowest ebb the weeks immediately before Easter and then about 3 weeks after. It might be that this is a one off arrangement to ensure a cash inflow rather than a long term stratedgy.