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6024 King Edward 1

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Champion Lodge, Sep 16, 2024.

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  1. Dog Fox

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    They certainly did not pay all the bills
     
    Dog Fox, Feb 23, 2026 at 3:52 PM
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    Which may well help answer @GWR4707's question.
     
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    @Dog Fox however the accounts indicate that "they" paid a significant amount of the bills , in cash terms I suspect over 80% plus now whatever has been needed to complete the engine . Not only do "they" own the engine but "they" also have a significant amount on investment in the overhaul

    the 6024 society accounts make interesting reading . It appears that initially that the management agreement saw £500k being spent by the RSGLT with the society match funding costs above that . The management agreement was then changed to RSGLT spending £750k with the society liable for any costs over and above that

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    Cash reserves went from £220k in 2014 down to £44k at the end of 2021 . I don't know whether volunteer labour was also given a contributory cash value

    What I think this suggests was RSGLT spent £750k , 6024 society another £170k plus volunteer labour contribution . I think you can deduce costs went up quite significantly as is always the way with a steam engine , that required a renegotiation of terms . where it stood in terms of the total spend to that point , extra spend needed to finish the engine and for it to be complete , ready for main line service alongside the balance of the equation on both parties contributions
     
    Sidmouth, Feb 23, 2026 at 4:30 PM
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    At the end of the day do you think i will see The King turn a wheel again before i turn my toes up only asking as a ex volunteer ??.
     
    raisborough.smith, Feb 23, 2026 at 7:04 PM
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    It feels a lot closer than a King in steam on the mainline has been for a long time. I have two who have never seen a King in full flight
     
    Sidmouth, Feb 23, 2026 at 7:11 PM
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    It a wonderful sight seeing her working hard the note of the locomotive it a must and i hope to see her again the power of a king in full flight is a must .second is seeing her doing what she does best Roaring along the sea wall at Dawlish .
     
    raisborough.smith, Feb 24, 2026 at 5:06 AM
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    No we most certainly did not do anything like a shoddy job. Professionals from outside were utilised when necessary to ensure the work was completed thoroughly and correctly and signed off. LSL refused point blank to come to Minehead to carry out their inspection which would have been the easiest option, and instead chose to uproot her on a low loader and drive it to Crewe. We KNEW that day that we had lost her, despite a successful steam test and running up and down the yard at Minehead. We were that close to finishing and apart from any snagging needing doing and some minor wiring, getting back out where we belonged on the mainline. Gutted really does not cut it I'm afraid.
     
    Fireboxchaserphotography, Feb 25, 2026 at 5:01 PM
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    The work on 6024 was done at Minehead not Williton, but they are all consummate professionals on the WSR.
     
    Fireboxchaserphotography, Feb 25, 2026 at 5:02 PM
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    The 6024 Preservation Society as was never once failed to make payments as required under the agreement.
     
    Fireboxchaserphotography, Feb 25, 2026 at 5:04 PM
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    You will always play the 6024 side so there is no reasoning with you. I note you’ve failed to answer the question multiple people have asked……

    So I say again…..What strikes me is LSL have accepted 60007 and 71000 with minimal fuss, they didn’t accept them and then take them to bits again. Same with 61306, other than fitting air brakes it was straight out in service, albeit already in ticket I grant you. And that gives me a great deal of confidence that not all was well with 6024. To spend the man hours they have taking it to bits and going again suggests they found things that they weren’t happy with, otherwise why be so resource wasteful?
     
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    I never said that at any point . My observation was that your own society records , as I read it, shows a very significant contribution from "they". I have no foot in either camp LSL or 6024 , I sit as a total outsider and having watched other engines in the LSL orbit , it felt inevitable that similar would ultimately happen to 6024. I come back to the question , were the society maybe naive in thinking they would carry on as normal when their prime asset was no longer theirs.
     
    Sidmouth, Feb 25, 2026 at 5:39 PM
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    But also, why would LSL/Hoskins want money to be spent on the loco at Minehead and then for that to be 'wasted', along with time out of action, and then started again up at Crewe? Guess we will never know the full facts but let's hope we see 6024 again back out doing what she was built to do very soon. Very odd LSL would not inspect the loco at Minehead, yet house locos on the WSR for months on end, don't you think?
     
    JBTEvans, Feb 25, 2026 at 7:12 PM
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