North Yorkshire Moors Railway General Discussion

I'm not sure I would agree with you on that! He did fight, but I felt that that his arguments were often in favour of the indefensible - his arguments along the lines of "the NYMR Trust is no longer a member's society" and "Membership of the Trust is something that costs the Trust rather than a source of financial support at times of stress" both sit unhappily with me, for example. The new Bridge 42 appeal is absolutely typical of the incompetent management approach - "we want your money but we're not even offering any meaningful information in exchange". It clashes, of course, with the "Flying Scotsman" story it allegedly brought in £1M, but they're still asking for more! A little honesty wouldn't go amiss.

 

Could it be that the £1M is already spent/committed?

 

Presumably, after 60103 was allowed to run over the bridge in question, it cannot be in danger of imminent collapse carrying lighter engines?

 

That, in Sir Humphrey speak , would be a very bold move.

 

At times, methinks the arguments may have triggered thoughts along the lines of "with friends like these".

I notice that the appeal launched today refers to the number of light engine moves. I may not be an engineer, but I have picked up that frequency is an important factor in assessing usage restrictions

 

I wouldn’t make that assumption.

 

Speed, weight, hammer blow and number of traverses are prime considerations.

 

It's a more comfortable assumption than the opposite.

 

When was the last time it saw any sort of substantial maintenence?



There's a fair bit of vegetation growing from the bridge, with ivy covering some of the other side. Photos from 3-4 years ago show a little bit of growth, but not this much.

 

I am sorry, But I a at a loss to understand why on earth everyone on here needs extra sets of points to be laid at Goathland.
Picture 96296 clearly shows a train in Goathland's up platform, so both platforms are in use, The loco of the terminating down train on arrival is detached and permitted to enter the Grosmont section to the point of obstruction clear of the up home signal.
There as I see it, is no reason why the Signalman can not run the loco around it's train Does Goathland have an up advanced starter/section signal? Once the loco has re attached to it's train, the Signalman "gets the road" and on giving the driver the tablet/token
exhibits a steady green hand signal to the driver. Simples

 

See post 9068 by @Steve - the gradient in the station is too steep to leave the stock without a loco attached. You can't risk the handbrake holding it if the brakes leak off. Hence it needs to be moved south of the station into the loop where the gradient isn't as steep.

 

AIUI it is nothing to do with the available signals, but as per https://national-preservation.com/t...eneral-discussion.29732/page-454#post-2966022 that a train can't be left in the platform without a locomotive attached.

So if a train arrives in the down platform, it can't unhook and run round in the "conventional" way, since doing so leaves the carriages unattached in the platform. (And presumably the risk assessment is that in even with the handbrake on, a heavy shunt when running round might be sufficient to cause the unattached carriages to set off down the hill towards Grosmont).

Gradient profile is here; the north end of the station is more or less at the commencement of the 1 in 49 down.

http://www.mikebarnard.co.uk/maps/grad_NYMR2.JPG

Tom

 

Being a Google Maps expert for the moment. If the worst came to the worst and the alternative was the NYMR going bust why wouldnt you take the locos and coaches out of the Pickering End by road to a another location in the North East reforming the train and then towing it to Grosmont over the national network. The locos and stock have to be mainline registered to work over Grosmont to Whitby anyway.
Looking at Grosmont station in this view https://www.google.co.uk/maps/searc...try=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDExMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw== there would be appear to be ample room to take the signalling out of use at the Goathland end. Put a temporary buffer stops against the level crossing. Put a turnout in sufficient distance from the level crossing and slew the island platform road to meet it. That would appear to allow you to run a 7 coach shuttle over the Grosmont to Whitby section and run round. Grosmont would only have one operational platform but would it need more for a simple shuttle. The turnout wouldnt need to be of a passenger standard the nymr must have turnouts they could rob from elsewhere even if they have nothing in stock

 

I believe it was a requirement imposed by HMRI when the line was first opened as a heritage railway. I don't know that for certain, though, only that it has never been allowed, which is why the loop exists. There once was a runaway of coaches and it was stopped by the sand drag that is there for that purpose. I don't know the details but it was about 1978-9 time.

 

@Sidmouth4me is also an NYMR board member. I haven’t seen him on here recently. That’s not to say he hasn’t, though.

 

For a start there's nowhere to do any maintenence at Grosmont on locos or stock north of the bridge. How would you do a fitness to run exam, or any repairs? That's before you get into the cost implications of moving say 8 carriages and two locos. That's 12 low loader movements, plus the cost of getting it from Middlesbrough - the closest place with road access. No one is going to want to do Pickering - Goathland by train, bus to Grosmont, then another train to Whitby. For a start you'd probably be talking a three hour journey in each direction, if not longer. Access to Grosmont isn't great for cars, trying to get half a dozen coaches down there wouldn't be popular with the locals.

 

Which doesn’t mean it is the right assumption of course.y

I have seen similar before. A heritage railway bridge over a spate river. Chance investigation of the central pier foundation because a branch had got stuck I think sparked a suspicion that it had been eroded a little by the river. Turned out it had been eroded a lot and an immediate halt on traffic was called. The potential had been anticipated for a while, but it actually happened pretty quickly.

 

It’s possible to see from members profile pages when they’ve last visited.

 

Oh I did not realize The gradient continued through Goathland platform, So I guess that everything will have to be topped and tailed.