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Great Britain XVIII: 18/4 -25/4/26

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by Waterbuck, Nov 18, 2025.

  1. jonathonag

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    Maybe I've missed something up thread stating that RYTC are advertising a passenger cap, but otherwise I would imagine both RYTC and WCRC will gladly put on more coaches if the advanced bookings are so numerous. Otherwise, as Ralph mentions, why cart around a coach that is only seating the tumbleweed?

    One caveat to the above could be network capacity. Network Rail can always turn around and say that because X route/loop/station can only facilitate X coaches plus POB and locomotive/s, that the length of train is thus dictated to WCRC.
     
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    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

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    Another reason for enthusiasts to avoid WCR's trips is their continued refusal to come into line with the other TOCs on door locking, forcing them to use aircon MkIIs. That could be an issue for everyone else as well if the aircon is unreliable.
     
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    I bumped into a day trip passenger this year (3 days for him altogether) at first light in Inverness ;)
     
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    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    ..........which it sometimes is. And when it is hot, it can be unbearable.

    Maybe what is going on is that WCR is trying to source better quality rolling stock with all 'mod cons' at a more favourable cost to the company than upgrading and modifying their existing tired looking Mark 1s. The trouble is that on the Jacobite this solution may not be as attractive to the tourists as what was operating previously. The Jacobite balance sheet for 2025 will tell them whether that is the case. After all, for a fraction of the cost, folk can travel on service trains with the same view out of the window.

    As for GBXVIII, a good test of the market would be if over the winter WCR has been creating a GB train set of Mk1 stock with all the ORR required kit. If the RTC were able to announce that, then I think that there's a pretty good chance that custom will return.
     
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    But they don't offer a fixed number of seats, nowhere in the booking system does it mention numbers so offering seats to potential passengers doesn't come in to the equation. I'm sure that if the number of bookings reaches the limit for a particular class thn an extra coach can be added. Pehaps you have never noticed the ocassional message from RTC, regarding day trips, announcing that more seats are now available meaning an extra coach has been added.
     
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    Remember the GB is not like a day tour where you can add extra coaches. It will come with the need for extra hotel rooms, which may or not be available once you have sold the initial capacity. Those hotel rooms, if you find them, are then possibly well removed from where the rest are staying leading to extra costs for ground arrangements etc. If they are diners that may well exceed the production capacity of the kitchen, so does that led to an extra kitchen car, chef etc. Maybe you even need more stewards (or reps if you want to call them that) to be with these guests at remote locations.
    What do you do when all these extras increase your prices, do RTC just swallow that or do you try and charge extra for those booking later? I can hear the howls of outrage already if that was proposed.
    Not sure the likes of TUI say we could sell extra seats to Malaga suddenly so we had better put on a B787 that day.
    The only way I could see extra stock being of use if you decide to try to sell one day trips, but most of these would be one way, due to the nature of the GB, so again comes with its own set of problems.
     
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    Don't say that, you can't say negative things about WCR like that on here else the hounds will be after you.
    WCR Mark 1's are not tired and it very easy to get a Mark 1 looking very nice indeed as has been proven by a particular heritage railway recently. I am not sure I would call Mark 2's 'better quality' compared to Mark 1's.
    I know, but the way it was worded up thread suggested that the train had been reduced from 11 to 9 coaches that was the limit regardless.
     
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    I'm not going to waste bandwidth asking everyone but I reckon you must be one of few people, possibly the only person, who thinks that GBXVIII has some arbitrary load limit imposed on it. Given the number of years it's been operating, it would take someone who has been elsewhere on another planet not to know what goes on with this tour.

    The only factor that might be relevant is the Day 5 optional trip to Mallaig that you book on separately anyway. It may be that there will be a train length limit because of passing loops, but that is irrelevant for what will happen on the main tour.
     
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    I am simply talking about how it was worded, I was not implying that there was a limit or that I believed there to be one. The way it was worded suggested that 9 was a hard limit.
     

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