National Railway Museum

To me, this "originality" thinking is what led to the loss of Ben Alder, umming and aahing over the fact that it's boiler had been replaced. It ended up being scrapped. Thanks.

 

Absolutely. And it could never be meaningfully "de-accessioned", at least not in this country.

 

OK my personal view is if we want to steam loco X what will it add to our experience or knowledge.

The T3 which is a similar loco is currently in steam

On the other hand I suggest that Gladstone as a tender 0-4-2 express loco IS unique

 

That would be something to see in steam....oh, and let's have it in Southern Railway green....

 

Although previously it was static in an environment controlled room and not static in an open siding so not quite nothing lost.

BTW I'm somebody who has been supportive of it being back in steam. It's been great to have a pre-grouping engine back in steam and it has generated big interest at a railway that needs every penny. Just saying that there are downsides and care needs to be taken to make sure that it doesn't rust away in a siding.

 

I dont know, the Shinkansen is a pretty important part of the railway story and is the forerunner of modern high-speed rail.

Also its fantastic that people in the UK can see it up close, as a lot of us are never going to go to Japan.

Also I don't know why an item being popular is seen as negative for a museum artefact.

 

I’m unconvinced by deaccession of 563. I’ve been fortunate enough to enjoy driving the loco, and I am grateful for that chance, but that doesn’t change my unease.

There are so many locomotives awaiting an overhaul. Pretty much every railway has a long queue. Most of that queue will be living outside because few can keep theirs under cover. Restoring 563 has an opportunity cost versus one of those. That lack of cover is a very significant issue.

 

Another example of the International Railway development would be A "Big Boy"
So when do we get one over here?

 

Its not just loco's that need to be under cover but coaches as well

 

Would you settle for 4-8-2+2-8-4 Garret from South Africa?
https://www.heritage-railways.com/locosdb/locosdb2.php?RefNo=2097
or
https://www.heritage-railways.com/locosdb/locosdb2.php?RefNo=3372

 

Despite it's silly Branding of "Railway Museum", it's our National Railway Museum, and I assume its brief is limited to the Railways of the UK. The Shinkansen is an important part of the history of World Railways, but not of railways in the UK. If we were going to display a foreign vehicle that has really influenced our railways then perhaps a GM F unit would be more appropriate.

Of course it's great that the Shinkansen can be seen in the UK, but not at the NRM, at the expense of British exhibits.

Being popular is not a negative. The NRM needs footfall to protect its funding. But being popular is not a justification for adding an inappropriate exhibit to the national collection.

 

It’s an obvious opposite book end to Rocket though. Sadly I think the story of railways is rather missed out of the displays with little attempt to link them and interpret them.

 

Well, yes they are. That's the point. When you take an artefact apart you innevitably lose some element of how it was. It might be trivial, it might be important.

We don't know what future generations will find important for research. (As an example, sealed brass buttons are turning out to be handy for research into the atmosphere).

If the argument is "nothing is lost as it will all be carefully surveyed", then demolition of the Euston arch is fine (btw, most of the stones are in a known place).

 

I don't think one bullet train car is having a substantial negative effect on British railway heritage. It's one vehicle.

 

The Shinkansen was a gift to the National Railway Museum from Japan and was accepted as such. In Japanese culture it is bad manners to refuse a gift, let alone accept it, exhibit it and then dispose of it.

https://www.railwaymuseum.org.uk/wh...ching this video on,be found outside of Japan.

 

Unlike the Shinkansen, which set a precedent for high speed trains in many countries including here, the Big Boys and their slightly smaller cousins were pretty well unique to the USA. Furthermore it is only in their sheer size that they went beyond what was done elsewhere. There is nothing else special about them.

BTW why are we discussing what does or doesn't belong in the York museum in this Bluebell thread?

 

The Shinkansen stays on the tracks thanks to work undertaken by dear old British Rail.............

 

Well the NRM is part of the Science Museum, so do we assume science stops at Dover as well then?

 

Foreign locomotives coming over here, stealing spaces in our museums and sheds!

Sorry, probably better in the Reform thread........

[To be clear this post has been made in jest]