A2 60532 Blue Peter

Good to see they have retained the original brake arrangement too and not done a Scotsman or Duchess job on it with engine and tender converted to air. Is that an independent steam brake handle similar to the BR Standards just above the vac gauge? I always thought that LNER engines were vac braked, you live and learn.

 

Yes it’s an independent steam brake. Mayflower was also fitted with one when it came the SVR. I too didn’t think LNER locos had them, so an LSL modification perhaps?

 

I think (but could be wrong) that it's perhaps more that Gresley locos didn't have independent steam brakes, but Thompson included them on his locos (like the B1), and as most Peppercorn locos (like the A2) were tweaks of Thompson locos, they subsequently had them as well

 

It can operate them yes. It’s got air, vac and steam brakes fitted, so basically everything you need for everything.

 

Not my picture, and I'm sure Steve or Peter will be along shortly to confirm from their wealth of knowledge, but it was fitted with the independent steam brake back at Barrow Hill so I'm presuming ruddingtonrsh56 is correct in his theory. There's pictures of 61264 with one else well.

 

The K1 (62005) also has an independent steam brake so I think @ ruddingtonsh56 is correct

Peter

 

Definitely learnt something new today. I just assumed it was an LSL mod, but I stand totally corrected. Thanks for the info gents

 

Holy crap balls, are you sure that’s a real photo and not someone who has gone to an AI programme and said “draw me a locomotive cab interior” …

A bit different from this when you think functionally it is doing basically the same job …




Tom

 

I was thinking on the same lines .I wonder if they are planning to loan it out to Heritage lines they will send a driver with-it. Photo Australian 2-6-0 YX 86 ,(BP 2913/1988) Perth 2019.

 

Sorry to go widely OT but that is not a photo of Yx 86. Rather it is of Y71, the oldest surviving ex SAR loco of its class, being built by Beyer Peacock (2762) in 1886. How do I know? Well I photographed the cab of Yx 141 at Quorn only last month so I went to compare the two pictures and the difference was obvious. Ys were built with round top boilers, as in your picture, whereas the Yxs were later rebuilds with a larger flat top boiler. Bassendean Museum near Perth WA has both Y 71 and Yx 86 on display and I fear that you have mixed the two up.

Here isYx 141's cab - that bigger boiler makes quite a difference to it.

Sorry, back to Blue Peter

Peter

 

Correct ,they both stood next to each other.

 

So have I, it’s clearly seen in this picture of 61264. Maybe it was only the Gresley Pacifics that were all vacuum like the GW, it’s understandable as locos like the K1 would have been spending a lot of their time hauling unfitted freights. As you know Bullied used steam brake engine and vacuum on the tender. It’s safer than the LMS/BR Standard all steam brake engine and tender as the driver of Britannia No 70012 found out when the tender parted company with the engine at 70mph near Diss leaving the loco with no brake!

 

61306 has always had a separate steam brake. The LSL mod is just the air system.

 

It had a reverser, though, so it could be stopped.

 

That’s what happened, it also has a footplate extending back to the tender with no fallplate otherwise the fireman may well have fallen off. Must have been a frightening experience. There was a second incident when another Brit arrived at Liverpool St and the sheared coupling pin dropped out as they came to a stand.

 

Following the incident with 70012,all Standard tender engines had a shut-off valve placed in the pipe that supplied steam to the tender steam brake. This valve was on the back head just below the steam brake lubricator, so was readily accessible.

 

The Britannias had a very poor braking power ,the train had more braking power than the loco ,that must have given the coupling between the engine and tender severer shocks. There were several instances on the GE section of Britannias breaking away from their tenders ,not just 70012.The final straw came when 70014 Iron Duke (former Golden Arrow engine )recently transferred from the Southern ,broke away from its tender at Cheadle Heath whilst working a St Pancras to Manchester Central train in 1958. The driver stopping the loco' on the reverser .The single drawbar between the engine and tender broke. That was cured by a LMS type of a solid link coupling ,side buffers and safety links. That prevented any more runaways.

 

The whole "10%+2" thing is a guideline for police officers, not a law. Officers can use their discretion in deciding whether/what penalties should be issued to a speeding driver but ultimately, the limit is a limit and you can be prosecuted if you exceed it. All explained in more detail here:

https://roadlawbarristers.co.uk/spe...What is the 'rule'?,mph faster than the limit.

I'd also add that there is a tendency among drivers to treat the speed limit as a target, when it should be treated as a ceiling. If you're driving in a 60mph zone, you shouldn't expect to drive at exactly 60mph because then you risk your speed creeping. You should aim for, say, 57 or 58. It will make absolutely no difference to your journey time--any seconds you gain will be wiped out when you inevitably have to stop at a traffic light--but it gives you that margin of error to help you sty below the limit--which, I emphasise again, should always/i] be treated as an absolute maximum.

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