Diesels on steam tours

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I respect what you say palace gates but simple fact is, if you dont like it, then go and find something better to do!

 

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I just love all these Moderators tell me what to do!

 

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Well just because I have that little green sign under my name palace doesnt mean I cant comment on this topic bearing in mind I have some small first hand experience on this subject and no matter what is suggested to you in the most logical way for a trip to run, it falls on deaf ears. Again if it means having steam on the main line then so be it!

My mod hat was removed for the 2 previous comments but it is now back in place...

 

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Mod hat back on...

Moderators are still people, with real opinions, and indeed some of the mods are doubtlessly better qualified in what they're saying than you, or indeed many other people on this forum. Somehow there seems to be this idea that because we're "moderators" that somehow means we don't count anymore and shouldn't dare to express an opinion which in any way differs from anyone elses. As soon as someone starts losing an argument they resort to the "is it really your place as a moderator to say this" argument, well it simply doesn't wash anymore.

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Moderators,
Shades of Harry Enfield creeping in here.Your digging yourselves in deeper.Hope you can get out in the end.

 

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Moderaters, should and are able to post freely. I personnelly agree with them on this issue in the fact that without the diesels, in whatever capisity, we would have trouble running steam specials on the national network. There is very limited capisity in certain areas (ECML par example) and a diesel(sorry about spelling) can just make sure that the train is kept to time. They are rarely, if at any time used for the entire journey and therefore to me anyway don't distract from the overall pleasure of steam on the mainline.

I have also spokern to some support crew members, and I don't think they really complain about them.

Many thanks,

Ross

 

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I'm not sure quite what "palace gates" is on, but whatever it is I'll have some! I note that he's now resorted to having a go at those contradicting him, the surest sign someone has lost their arguement

What "palace gates" and his ilk don't seem to realise is that there is sound sense to putting diesels on tours, their arguement is based purely on their own stubbornness and some idealistic world in their minds. Fine to think it, but don't believe it would practically work

 

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PG have you got in touch with tour organisers and asked them for the reasons for having a diesel on the back. It would be a much better idea than to continue to winge on this forum as that will have no useful effect, except to alienate yourself completely.
Members including Mods have their own opinions and are free to express them but don't start having a go just because they don't agree with your ideas..

 

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I agree with this entirely.

Regards,

Dan

 

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I think that the best way to avoid having to endure peoples opinions, is to not start a thread that asks for peoples opinions! :-k

As for palace gates, he too is entitled his opinions which he has now made evidently clear… and I hope he enjoys the diesel free tour tomorrow..... ;-)
As Cambrian55 suggests, perhaps his next step could be to write to the relevant TOC’s and express his concerns.

 

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THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED A SCHEDULE YOU KNOW..............
I'D LOVE TO SEE YOUR REACTION IF A NICE FINE CAME THROUGH YOUR LETTER BOX.......
Because you wouldn't have a diesel.
We have been on many trips with a diesel and i honestly don't see the problem perhaps if sat on a trip and all you hear all day is the diesel,but otherwise there is no real reason to moan........
It's only a machine for chris'ts sake not going to kill you exactly is it?!?!
So why do people feel the need to come up with all this Cardboard Crap? No Need..........
Neither do we need your permanent ranting.
We get the point,you HATE diesels!

 

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Thats an interesting point about a fine in your letter box ...couldn someone correct me please , but i seem to think that every minuit a train is late adds on an extra £1000 fine .

now with a diesel , these fines wouldnt be trased back to the engine ....with out the diesel , well , if something was to go wrong . i hope your happy paying a BIG number .

i remember looking at a email ( no names gonna be given ) from said person to said person , showing what has to be done to get a tour either steam or diesel chartted , i looked at it and even if it was to run on time , said tour would still be causing a couple of small delays of around 5 or 6 minuits , which fine wize is still quit alot .

so , isnt it about time we said . you dont want a diesel but refuse to pay the extra amount , were giving you facts and figures to why you just cant not have a diesel on the rear and we call it even?

from now on , its only going to repeat the page number before , so this page is relly jsut a re word of the page before .....

get a life you rivet countter , it may not have had a diesel on the back in 1948 but at the same time timings where slack and done to steam not 21st centery units , this is 2008 60 YEARS ON , just be god dam greatfull you still have steam running on the mainline

 

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I don't think its that high per minute Small Prairie.

The main problem is your fined per minute for each individual service that is delayed iirc, and if your on a busy section of track the £££ will quickly go up.

 

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A discussion on fines is going on over at Preserved Diesels from where I quote '056'

http://preserved-diesels.co.uk/pdf/viewtopic.php?t=1078

I understand figures are per train per minute delayed

 

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OK... I've been biting my lip on this for a while, no longer!

Palace Gates, Will you do us all a favour and either shut the **** up or piss off somewhere else or, preferably both. This whole thread was set up about 18 months ago in response to your constant whingeing/hijacking of every thread on steam with a moan about diesels.

Here we are 18 months down the line and your still at it. Despite having every reason pointed out to you, seems you have nothing better to do than moan. I'm sure that absolutely every member of nat pres is aware of your "opinion" on diesels on the back and I'm also pretty sure that 99% of them, like myself, couldn't care less what you think.

TOC's have reasone for use of diesels, as pointed out before. You can't accept that then fair enough, Its people like you that I'm sure won't be missed, because you never seem to be happy.

Once again, stop moaning, we're SICK of it!

Oh, by the way, anyone else who's bored of this guys whingeing, just add him as a foe, then you won't be subjected to his posts.

 

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Well said Stuart! Maybe this could be the end of stupidity around here? Well i can dream....

Alex

 

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just noticed that myself , i put one to many zeros in . sorry

 

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Go to User Control Panel, select Friends & Foes from the Options section, then Manage Foes, and put the name in the box, submit and Yes, and there you are, no more rants from the person who is getting on your ****.
One slight snag though, you still get them when someone else quotes from that poster.....

 

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heres a thought ....train loads

now if you look at your typical load for a mainline tour , its in the region of 10 to 13 coachs .....i only know the info for the southen as its the first i decided to investigate on....

now back way back when , after doing some searching about , a typical load wouldnt pass 11 coachs , let alot have 12 or 13 maybe even 14. now when you thnk about your argument about the diesel having to push becuse it is weighing the train down to much for the steam at the front , now lets look at it with out a diesel ....in theroy , it is still overloaded the train and if stalled , would find it extramly difficult to re start ,,,,if it even found its feet ....

now im not one for complaining about loads - i personly think the more noise the better . but if your wantting to complain about this diesel on the back lark , why not ask the TOC of the rail tour nicely to drop off 4 or 5 coachs till its only 7 or 8 long and ask them to increas there price by maybe 10 or 15%

 

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I can't help noticing since my last post someone hasn't bothered replying, has he realised the futility of his efforts and given up?