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South Devon Railway Winter Gala - 2nd-4th January 2026

Discussion in 'Galas and Events' started by Wagoniester, Nov 14, 2025.

  1. 5944

    5944 Resident of Nat Pres

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    I agree, it's extremely frustrating, especially if you need to book tickets to get there. It's not the most accessible line unless you're relatively local. The diesel gala last month was the same, and it seems to be the case most years that the timetable only appears the week beforehand. Locos have been hired in, one of which is coming a fair old distance (I doubt that'll be cheap), so trying to attract as many paying passengers as possible should be the aim.

    It doesn't need to be a full working timetable with loco allocations etc, just the actual times is all that's needed. It's a simple line - two end stations with a passing loop almost exactly in the middle. It's not like the SVR with uneven section lengths and various permutations of services, so your options are limited with regards what can be run; essentially two full length services and the occasional shuttle. That's pretty much it. I understand what others say about timings, crews, speeds, water, availability, etc, but the timetable that has now appeared has the standard 45 or 60 minute gaps between departures. It's not groundbreaking.
     
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    All well and good saying the timings are a standard 45/60 minute pattern, but you have shorter runs to Staverton too, and five locomotives to make the best use of.

    If they went with the standard loco swaps upon return to Buckfastleigh, Newstead working the 9.45am service (as an example) would arrive back there at 10:59am, swap with 5526, then do nothing until 12.30pm (taking over from 2807) or (if you took 1369 off the 10.30am) even the 1.15pm. It's next run would then likely be the 3.15pm/4pm departure and that would be it. From personal experience as footplate crew, sitting around for 2 hours twiddling thumbs can get a bit tedious. At least as it now stands there's a few quirky movements, without which people would probably complain it is "too boring".

    I think there's a huge assumption that doing a gala timetable is 'easy', when actually there's a lot of complexities that do not immediately seem obvious - the wrong loco movement can entirely scupper a timetable (a mistake I have also made!)
     
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    Sidmouth Resident of Nat Pres Staff Member Moderator

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    It feels Christmas spirit is maybe a little lacking on this thread with two sides almost trading blows or is this the nat pres equivalent of the post christmas dinner argument !

    We have to remember that operating heritage railways costs a lot and I mean a lot of money . Newstead movement there and back albeit there maybe a share with swindon and cricklade will be well into four figures and that is a lot of tickets to see to recoup , and that is before we add on steaming fees , coal etc

    so giving away free tickets at an expensive event sets you back even further . The secondary spend argument is also weakening now as evidence suggests as incomes are squeezed that is in decline too . NNR was very generous and I'm pleased the poster enjoyed their trips, but in my book there is a balance between the thank you for the donation you give versus the donation made . I would suggest in this thread one is too generous , one maybe a bit too ungrateful !

    Its one reason why I like memberships as that gives a discount but you still put real cash into the railways bank account which ultimately what is needed

    I wish the event well . For me too far to travel at the time of year and a competing event much closer but I do hope those that go enjoy it and it is successful for the railway
     
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    It does indeed, the cost of coal for a 3 day event with 3 locos all in steam all day will be significant. It could be around 22-23t of coal across the 3 days if each loco uses on average 1.5t a day (Judy using a lot less but 2807 using far more etc.) which would equate to around £10,000 just just in coal.

    Secondary spend is very valuable for heritage railways as, especially if it is cold, there are plenty of opportunities for the sale of teas, coffees and even warm food which all generate revenue and hopefully a profit.
     
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    Is Judy going to be doing anything between trains at Buckfastleigh?
     
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    Shunting I assume as there is going to be a lot of moving around at Buckfastleigh what with the number of trains operating and positioning moves needed.
     
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    Personally speaking, a gala with the 28, Newstead and Judy operating would have been preferable. Newstead and the 28 on the main sets and Judy on a shorter set. Only three engines to steam and all are visitors. As it is, the visitors opportunities are diluted by the home fleet.
     
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    But on the contrary to that some people who travel from a significant distance may not have seen 1369 operating for example which is an exceptionally rare, one of a kind locomotive. Therefore having it in steam adds to the gala for them also having 5 locos in steam also allows for some interesting and very rare top and tail running as well as a triple header.
     

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