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Tornado

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Leander's Shovel, Oct 20, 2007.

  1. Bikermike

    Bikermike Well-Known Member

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    Was this in an official capacity of the trust? Again, point to the place where it was explained?
    Why is the fact its been finally made good after much wasted time and money the end of it? What is being learned
    Welding is not new technology? The P2 shows they can go properly out to skilled people and get it right. So why did it go wrong here?

    Is this a serious answer? The boiler design is known, how boilers work is known, but the design was seemingly changed, why was it changed? Who validated it?
    The boiler was subbed out to one of the largest steam boiler-makers in Europe, they don't get the "old men in sheds" let-off. What happened to quality control? Who was inspecting it? When? What expertise did they have?
    Equally, the engine is virtually new. The layers of making good on engines that have been flogged for 50 years before preservation might give rise to unexpected issues, but here there is none of that, the drawings are all present and ordered. You can even ask most of the original designers what was done.

    poor project management and inability to know limitations usually. Or the ones that come across my desk usually are. I think one of the biggest issues here is the refusal to (publicly) admit there was a problem, and the engineering "solutions" that were tried and failed sound like there was an internal fail as well.

    This isn't modern engineering. This is (as you say above) 1930s engineering. Old men in sheds with half the tornado budget are getting it right.
    P.s. lets see you make an egg...

    How is properly setting up a contract and managing it being held to a higher standard?
     
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  2. class8mikado

    class8mikado Part of the furniture

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    P2 Perhaps ?
     
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    Apologies, edited
     
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    That may be your view, she certainly is putting in the miles.

    Going to be quite honest, and say the most recent ascent of Shap from the South, gave the impression of very little work being done by her.
    A soft drifting almost silent exhaust, and the rear gunner shoving for all its worth.

    Contrast it against 60532 previous ascent, and the difference is marked.
     
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    Victor Nat Pres stalwart Friend

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    Running in ? Get everything well bedded in, Pile the miles on nice and steady to build up gradually to 100%
     
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    I am one of those who expressed concerns about the longevity of the work done, especially as regards the boiler, so far, though it seems like no problems have surfaced, which is good, every engine will have teething problems, no matter how thorough the overhaul, but praise where its due, its done what's been asked of it, and has not missed any of its booked duties so far, Longer term, though, we will have to wait and see, At the moment the engines still not that long out of overhaul, so everything's tight, once parts begin to wear in, and loosen up, then vibration will affect clearances, thats when we might see boiler issues, as its the vibration that caused problems, such as tube leaking, or fractured stays, coupled with the cooling, and heating cycles.
     
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    Latest communique concerns final push to connect DLW and promoting it as a home depot/ servicing / engineering work destination.
    As it stands i dont know that DLW has the staff /facilities/ to offer much ?, but that could be worked up towards finishing P2 and receiving Tornado after the WCR agreement finishes
     
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    I wonder if they might offer the patriot a home, after all it has a military connection, so that's one box ticked,
     
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    And winner of the world "hide and seek" champion must be the 2nd boiler, destined for the P2.
    Due in April, from an official communication...............
     
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    Surely an open HS2 wins that award.;)
     
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    At the risk of upsetting some people, I thought that particular award went to Madeline McCann...
     
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    Unnecessary thread drift. Not funny. Tasteless. Clearly a Bernard Manning protégé.
     
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    You aren't funny, just very sad.

    Bob.
     
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    A rare occasion I agree with you but really the comment ought to be deleted and not get further. Very poor taste and not expected on any forum.
     
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    Both you - and the two who 'liked' your post - really need to give your heads a wobble.
     
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    Well, it's only two months late...
     

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