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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Leander's Shovel, Oct 20, 2007.

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    Pink with yellow dots? :rolleyes::)
     
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    Great innit.:D:D:D
     
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    Tanqueray green?
     
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    I'm not saying a lack of skills... I don't know what personnel they have. It's the management of the skilled folk and the right type of skills which is important. I regard the turning down of the tyres a bodge to accommodate what would seem to be a boiler not confirming to drawing. We now appear to have one boiler that is not interchangeable ( this one), one in bits, a kit, and one under construction in Germany. The trust have stated that this one is being monitored by an independent body in Germany. As I've said before I'll believe it when I see it, such as the conduct by the trust to conventors.
     
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    Laphroaig lavender with a White Rose motif for our president's Royal Train....
     
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    And even chromatic aberration.
     
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    The P2 is NOT a useless project.
     
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    The litmus test will be if Carnforth test Tornado light and coach to Hellifield again, or straight into a loaded test, on the circuit, Of course it will depend on what needs further fettling after its main line run, and how happy the inspector are, the clues will be in how long it takes from arrival to when she is next out on test.
     
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    I agree on that....however when any organisation embarks on a project like that has it scoped out the timeline, critical path analysis, funding etc etc........and also looked around to see whether anything else that is current is not going to present any obstacles.

    At the point when it became clear that there was an overhaul problem (the first problem) with Tornado, did work stop on the P2? Did the A1ST focus 100% on securing a remedy and also checking that onward monitoring was secure? If I were a covenantor these would be a few questions that I would ask with the expectation of getting an answer, not on here but at formal events hosted by the A1ST including AGMs.

    Others will say whether that happened but I'm assuming that all the turmoil on here from people much closer to Tornado and the P2 than me must be because these things didn't happen.

    Isn't that the point?
     
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    Yes. And it appears from those at AGMs that the difficult questions were unwelcome and not supported to be pursued - see also @MellishR's tale of woe in trying to get answers to reasonable questions as a covenantor
     
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    I don't think you can say that. Apart from Mick Kelly the other day, it's five years since those guys drove it, and maybe apart from Martyn the firemen may be new to it. Perhaps they will want one or two training runs anyway before putting it into service.
     
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    Taken as read, I would hope. The one thing that I hope all operators know and pay attention to is, if it exists, the detailed knowledge that individual loco owners should have about the optimum way of operating their locomotive. That is a key function of the owner's representative on the footplate nowadays - i.e. it's not a 'jolly'.

    The best loco crews will not be arrogant enough to adopt the 'I know best' attitude. They will listen, reflect and act, I would hope. A comment like "Well I've been a fireman on XYZ heritage railway for some time now so there's not much I don't know about the job" is not necessarily enough for the main line.
     
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    "Crew Resource Management" is the term you're looking for here.
     
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    However, a timeline not helped by Covid, the death of David Elliott or a fiscal disaster caused by an individual whom now genuinely seems to be suffering from mental illness.
     
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    If I could 'like' that post more than once, I would.
     
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    As a matter of interest, how will you determine whether the loco is in good order based on 10A's assessment, when 10A are notoriously secretive with info on locos?
     
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    When it does its loaded test run?????
     
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    Precisely. If it completes that and then hauls its first charter as planned then there is nothing more that the NP member (or a covenantor) needs to know.
     
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    Well yes, of course, but it sounded like @35B was awaiting some kind of press release from either 10A or the A1ST about the examination.
     
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    Would not hold your breath, secrecy taken to another level in this case!!!
     
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