Discussion in 'Narrow Gauge Railways' started by Sidmouth, Nov 15, 2017.
Not in a 'bug-box' you can't!
Nor in any of the other non-corridor stock!
I don't have any knowledge of the VOR, but I know the FR and WHR and yes, all outward opening doors are locked. This is a safety-driven issue as clearances are extremely tight. It is not just done at the whim of the railway company, it is a requirement, I understand, of the regulatory bodies for safety reasons - and has been for many decades (or even a century?). The thought of a door coming open and it's leading edge hitting a mountain at 20mph, with a sheer drop into the valley on the other side doesn't bear thinking about. Even if the train remained on the track, the shower of wood splinters, glass, etc entering a full carriage would be "unpleasant" at the least.
I can't remember - does the Tal-y-llyn lock doors as well?
No, but when the line was built the Inspecting Officer criticised the clearances under the over bridges, which the railway countered by sealing up the south side (non-platform) doors.
The Inspecting Officer also recommended slewing the track under the bridges to gain more clearance on the north side. This never happened - if you look at the track under the arches it is, and always has been, plumb "dead centre".
The FR has always locked outward opening doors due to restricted clearances.
This would have been risk assessed to within an inch of it's life, I wouldn't worry too much
Boyd (Festiniog Railway Vol.1) mentioned a fatal accident which occured in May 1926 to a special breakdown train running during hours of darkness, when foreman fitter Hugh Hughes, thinking the train had cleared the crossing into Penrhyn, opened a door, fell and subsequently died from his injuries. This was over a decade before the crossing was reconstructed to it's familiar form to improve the approach for road users.
I can't remember whether the TR practices door locking (the deep seat cushions in the ex-GVT stock back then certainly didn't encourage even standing up too quickly!), but do recall a particularly enjoyable trip on ex-Corris saloon 17, travelling from Pendre to Abergynolwyn on the open step. It was just too hot inside the carriage that day. If I get the chance, I look forward to sampling the clerestory version on the Corris for comparative purposes (the two original clerestories were apparently created in order to improve ventilation), but I doubt travelling with one's feet outside the carriage would find too much favour these days.
I wonder .... can the chimps at Whipsnade ever get close enough to the train to open carriage doors?
The train doesn't go anywhere near the chimps. It goes past the elephants and rhinos and through the deer park. And they don't have opposible thumbs...
The risk of someone accidentally or foolishly opening a door where it isn't safe to do so must be much more probable than the risk of rapid fire necessitating evacuation. Don't forget, doors on all national network services are locked too, albeit with remote locking/unlocking by the driver/guard and emergency overrides for escape purposes.
If you want to get out an an intermediate station, just tell the guard and they will let you out.
After travelling on the FR last week, the practice for passengers to request stops is to travel in the coach adjacent to the service vehicle/buffet/guards area. Certainly Plas Halt and Boston Lodge have 8/9/10 car stop marks for the footplate crew to stop with the rear of the train on the platforms. The inwards opening doors were not locked.
Worth a quick scroll down ...... and it's not all about VoR locos either. (No login needed)
A few weeks ago
Please tell more: I can't find anything relevant on the VoR website.
They mean NGG13 No 60 "Drakensburg" which arrived at the VoR (from Switzerland) in July 2017 - some info here http://www.unseensteam.co.uk/News/VoR-new-arrival
and video of the arrival here:
Had an absolutely brilliant visit to the VoR yesterday, it really is an incredible railway with brilliant staff. I saw the NGG13 in the shed, is it intended to be used on the VoR, or was it just too good to turn down
The above links say it is intended to be used.
Care to explain what this post is about, or is some of it missing?
Thought it was about a Mk 1 BG from the title!!! ;-) T'is a nice Beyer Garratt loco!
Edit - post now moved from original thred!!!
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