Robinson GCR Loco designs

I have a lot of new photos of Robinsons D11 DESIGN
This collection features the D11/2 which were built in 1924 by the LNER to a reduced loading gauge with smaller boiler mountings for hauling passenger trains in Scotland.
They became known as 'Scottish Director's’
They were all named after characters in Sir Walter Scott's novels and poems,
Such as
62691 Laird of Balmawhapple
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LNER era photos start here with
6394 Lord James of Douglas
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B.R. era photos start here with
62676 Jonathan Oldbuck passes B1 61341
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to
62684 Wizard of the Moor Eastfield shed 27th May 1950
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to
62692 Allan-Bane
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Neil

 

I have added a lot of new photos of Robinsons D11/1 4-4-0
This first collection features the locos in the GCR & LNER era
Including this spotless loco in a dirty steam shed
508 Prince of Wales
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New photos of GCR era start here
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New photos of LNER era start here
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to
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Neil

 

I have added a lot of new photos of Robinsons D11/1 4-4-0
This collection features the locos in the B.R. era
Including 2 locos on special duty
62666 Zeebrugge and sister loco unknown special hard to tell from headboard
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full collection starts here with
62660 Butler Henderson
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to
62663 Prince Albert
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to
62665 Mons
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to
62667 Somme
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to
62670 Marne
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Neil

 

The GCR Class 11E later LNER D10 was a type of 4-4-0 steam locomotive used by the Great Central Railway for express passenger services. Ten were built in the railway's own workshops at Gorton, Manchester during 1913; they remained in service until the mid-1950s
The original names were those of directors of the GCR; Sir Alexander Henderson was the Chairman of the Board, and William Purdon Viccars was Deputy Chairman. At the time, there were twelve members of the GCR Board; of these, two (Viscount Cross and Sir Alexander Henderson) already had locomotives named after them. However, the latter's name was removed from class 11B no. 1014 and used on class 11E no. 429, so one director was not honoured at this stage, this was rectified the following year when class 1A 4-6-0 no. 439 was named Sutton Nelthorpe.
Two locomotives had their names altered subsequently, one of them twice. Sir Alexander Henderson was created Baron Faringdon in 1916, but his new name was used on a class 9P 4-6-0, so in 1917 no. 429 was renamed Sir Douglas Haig after the Commander-in-Chief of the British Expeditionary Force. In turn, Sir Douglas was created Earl Haig in 1919 and his new name used on another class 9P 4-6-0, so no. 429 was renamed a second time, becoming Prince Henry c. 1920 after the fourth child of King George V. When Charles Stuart-Wortley was raised to the peerage as Baron Stuart of Wortley in 1917, his name was used on a further class 9P, so no. 437 was renamed Prince George c. 1920 after the fifth child of King George V.
Including this photo of 2 locos at Manchester Central in B.R. days
62651 Purdon Viccars alongside 62655 The Earl of Kerry Manchester Central
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30 new photos start here with
GCR era
429 Sir Alexander Henderson
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LNER era
5429 Prince Henry at Handsworth c1935
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to
5431 Edwin A Beazley
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B.R. era
62656 Sir Clement Royds Northwich c1954
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Neil

 

The Great Central Railway Class 9N, classified A5 by the LNER, was a class of 4-6-2 tank locomotives designed by John G. Robinson for suburban passenger services
The Great Central Railway (GCR) Class 9N (LNER Class A5) was Robinson's last passenger tank design. They were designed to pull the difficult suburban services out of Marylebone, which they performed admirably for over 30 years.
The GCR built three batches between 1911 and 1917. A fourth batch was ordered by the GCR, but was built after Grouping in 1923. The LNER ordered a fifth and final batch from Hawthorn, Leslie & Co. which was built between 1925 and 1926. This final batch was to fill a shortage of passenger tank locomotives in the North Eastern area. A total of 44 locomotives were built.
The A5s were amongst the first GCR locomotives to have superheaters. The first locomotives had superheaters of the Schmidt type, but over time, Robinson applied his various changes as he developed his own superheater design. This led to a number of different superheater variations existing on the A5s at first. Between 1915 and 1917, they were all brought up to the same standard and had what became known as the Robinson Superheater. Robinson's Superheater expanded the superheater elements into the smoke header, and had a combined blower and circulating valve, to protect the elements from the firebox gases when the regulator was closed. (from Wikipedia)
Far from the old GCR we find
69838 Stockton on Tees shed August 1956
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Including 2 photos in the GCR era
23 in Great Central livery unknown location
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449 in Great Central livery unknown location
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LNER era photos start here with
447 unknown location
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to 5168 at Neasden
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B.R. era start here with
69801 Nottingham Victoria with the 5.16pm local to Basford North (Notts) 4th October 1956
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to 69811 unknown location
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to 69842 Catterick camp 11th October 1952
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Neil

 

The GCR Class 8C was a class of a pair of 4-6-0 locomotives built for the Great Central Railway in 1903–1904 by Beyer, Peacock and Company. They passed to the London and North Eastern Railway at the 1923 grouping and received the classification B1 They were reclassified B18 in 1943 and both were retired in 1947.

196 in G.C.R. livery
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LNER era start here
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection featuring John G. Robinson Class B2 reclassified B19 (GCR Class I) Sir Sam Fay 4-6-0 class
The GCR Class 1 was a class of steam locomotives designed by John G. Robinson for the Great Central Railway, and introduced to service between December 1912 and 1913. In the 1923 grouping, they all passed to the London and North Eastern Railway who placed them in class B2. Their classification was changed to B19 in 1945, and all had been retired by the end of 1947
GCR era
423 Sir Sam Fay in GCR livery
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LNER era start here with
5423 Sir Sam Fay on a Immingham Boat special Northolt Park 1938
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to
5426 City of Chester
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection featuring John G. Robinson Class B3 (GCR Class 9P) "Lord Faringdon" Class
(Info from LNER Encyclopedia & Wikipedia)
This class of loco featured 1165, this was designated as the war memorial locomotive: it carried an inscription below the name reading "In memory of G.C.R. employees who gave their lives for their country 1914–1918.
6165 Valour doubleheads Robinson B2 5424 City of Lincoln near Glazebrook with a Grand National special in 1939
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6165 Valour
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In an attempt to improve the coal burning, Gresley rebuilt Nos. 6166 & 6168 with Caprotti valve gear in 1929; and Nos. 6164 & 6167 in 1938-39. The main difference with the locomotives with the Caprotti valve gear, was that the poppet valves were mounted vertically. There were two valves at each end of each cylinder: one for admission and one for exhaust. Hence the Caprotti B3s had a total of sixteen valves. The valves were then operated by a cam system operated from the main drive axle. Caprotti valve gear had the advantage that the periods of of release and compression could be kept constant for any degree of cut-off. This resulted in more work from the expansion of steam, and a reduction in the volume to be cleared. Tests with the first two locomotives demonstrated a saving in coal of 16 percent. The cam operating scrolls would often fail, but, but this was fixed with bronze scrolls. The valve cam boxes also tended to overheat. This was eventually fixed by completely removing the covers on the boxes.
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In 1943, Thompson rebuilt No. 6166 to be very similar to one of his B1s and was reclassified B3/3. Only the bogie, driving wheels and the rear part of the frame were kept in the rebuild. The rebuild was too drastic, and the B3/3 regularly suffered from cracked frames. All further B3 rebuilds were cancelled
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Neil

 

The GCR Class 8F was a class of ten 4-6-0 locomotives built for the Great Central Railway in 1906 by Beyer, Peacock and Company to the design of John G. Robinson for working fast goods and fish trains. They passed to the London and North Eastern Railway at the 1923 grouping and received the classification 'B4'.
The class were originally used on fish trains between the port of Grimsby and London and Manchester although they were also found to be successful passenger locomotives. No. 1097/6097 was also chosen to haul the special train at the inauguration ceremony for the new port of Immingham in 1906, and was named ‘Immingham’ thereafter.
6097 Immingham at Brunswick C.L.C. shed July 1937
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After grouping the class was transferred to Ardsley, South Yorkshire and did much useful work in the West Riding of Yorkshire
Full collection starts here
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Neil

 

Robinson C5 (GCR Classes 8D & 8E) 4-4-2 Atlantics
These four locomotives were an attempt at implementing compound expansion by Robinson. Compound expansion was believed to be a good way of improving efficiency, but it was never very popular in Britain. The most successful implementation was that of Walter Smith who designed the LMS Compound 4-4-0s that survived into British Railways (BR) ownership. Smith introduced this particular system of compound expansion whilst at the North Eastern Railway's (NER) Gateshead Works. In 1898 he rebuilt 4-4-0 No. 1619 as a three cylinder compound expansion locomotive (LNER D19 4-4-0). Robinson was impressed by the reports of this locomotive's success, and ordered two W.M. Smith-compound Atlantics based on his C4 Atlantic. Robinson's experiment may have also been influenced by the Great Western Railway's (GWR) purchase of the compound expansion de Glehn Atlantics from France.
The first two C5s were built in December 1905 and February 1906, and a second pair was built in December 1906.
The central high pressure cylinder drove the leading coupled axle, resulting in the cylinder being positioned far forward of the other two cylinders. Stephenson motion was used on all three cylinders, with a 10in diameter W.M. Smith-pattern piston valve on the central cylinder. The outside cylinders had unbalanced slide valves. All three sets of motion were driven from the rear coupled axle.
The C5's compound expansion resulted in a coal saving of about 2 to 2.5lb of coal per mile, when compared to the simple expansion C4. This slight advantage was negated by the extra cost and complexity of a compound third cylinder. Robinson introduced superheating a few years later, and this produced substantial improvements in efficiency without the complexity of compound expansion. Compound expansion was not developed any further by the GCR.
Just 4 photos in this small collection
Starting here with
258 The Rt. Hon. Viscount Cross GCB GCSI unknown location
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Neil.

 

I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson Class B5 (GCR Class 8) 4-6-0 "Fish" Engines
The Great Central Railway Class 8 - London North Eastern Railway Class B5 - was a class of 4-6-0 steam locomotives. They were nicknamed "Fish Engines" on delivery, due to their use on the fast fish deliveries from Grimsby to places like London, the duty they were designed for. The last was withdrawn in 1950.
Including this photo in GCR livery on a passenger service
186 on a passenger service unknown location
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full collection starts here with
4686 unknown location
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to
6072 at Doncaster
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinsons 04 Class 2-8-0
Hopefully I have got the locos captioned correctly regarding sub classes
This collection features the locos as built with small boiler, Belpaire firebox, steam and vacuum brakes and water scoop
Including this photo of
63684 near Mexborough 29th September 1962
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full collection starts here with LNER era
3710
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to
6617
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New photos of B.R. era start here
63585 Lincoln 12th October 1963
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to 63632 Walton 5th April 1953
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to
63899 March depot September 1953
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Neil

 

I have combined and added new photos featuring Robinsons 04 Class 2-8-0
This collection now features 164 photos
Including preserved 63601
63601 Grimsby 1956
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Starting here with
LNER era photos
3710
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to
6617
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B.R. era starts here with
63575
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to
63929
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson Class Class B6 (GCR Class 8N) 4-6-0
The Great Central Railway Class 8N - London North Eastern Railway Class B6 - was a class of three 4-6-0 steam locomotives, designed by John G. Robinson in 1918. They were a mixed traffic class. All three examples were withdrawn in November and December 1947.
The first member of the class (No. 416) was built 1918, in the middle of a batch of GCR Class 8A 2-8-0 locomotives and the design had an identical boiler, cylinders and motion to this class. For three years this remained the only example of the class, but in 1921 Robinson built two further examples, with the intention of comparing their performance with his four-cylinder GCR Class 9P design and later decided to produce more of the 9Ps. The 8N was intended as an improved version of the 1A (LNER B8 class) of 1913, which had large inside cylinders and relatively small axleboxes on the driving axles. Although 8N was an improvement of the 1A design, .The 9P design of 1917 had four cylinders, resulting in a more balanced locomotive with smaller cylinders.
Although very competent locomotives, the three examples of this class were non-standard and used on a variety of secondary freight and passenger duties over the former Great Central Railway system. They were eventually replaced in 1947 by members of the B1 class
416 in Great Central Railway livery
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52 in GCR Livery
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5416 in LNER livery
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5052 in LNER livery
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Neil

 

I have added new collection featuring Robinsons 04 Class 2-8-0
This collection features Gresley rebuild from 1939 of Robinson 04 design Class 04-7
Doncaster had a clear preference for round-topped boilers, and there were a number of attempts to rebuild the O4s with round-topped boilers in-place of their Belpaire originals. Although the GCR had tried a similar reboilering in 1921, the LNER did not start until 1929 when two O4s were rebuilt with 5ft 6in boilers of the same type as used on the O2s. These rebuilds required frame extensions, and were classified as O4/4. In 1932, a shortened version of this boiler was produced, and was used on four O4s. Five further O4s were rebuilt with the new shortened boiler in 1939. All nine were classified O4/5. Also in 1939, a further shortening was applied to the boiler design, and was used in 47 O4 rebuilds by 1947. These were classified O4/7.
Including this photo of
63860 Colwick 3rd June 1950
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Full collection starts here with just 1 photo in the LNER era
3570 Tuxford shed 4th April 1948
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B.R. era starts here with
62582 Ashburys January 1954
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to
63880 unknown location
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson Class B7 (GCR Class 9Q) 4-6-0s"Black Pigs" / "Colliers' Friends"
The GCR Class 9Q, classified B7 by the LNER, was a class of 4-6-0 mixed traffic locomotives designed by John G. Robinson for fast goods, relief passenger and excursion services on the Great Central Railway. They were a smaller wheeled version of Robinson’s earlier Class 9P "Lord Faringdon" express passenger class (LNER Class B3).
The B7s had short-travel valve gear that resulted in heavy coal consumption. This quickly led to the nicknames of "Black Pigs" and "Colliers' Friends", although they were probably Robinson's most successful 4-6-0 design. Also, it should be noted that their coal consumption during LNER ownership was similar to other 4-6-0s performing similar work.
Including these 2 photos
5481 still with GCR cabside number plate & LNER number on tender
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459 still with GCR cabside number plate & LNER number on tender
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full collection of LNER era locos starts here with
5031 unknown location
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to
5483 at Newcastle?
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection of photos featuring the Robinson 04 ‘ROD’ 2-8-0 CLASS
This collection features the Thompson rebuilt locos
Robinson 04-8 Introduced 1944. Rebuilt with Thompson B1 boiler (Diagram 100A) and B1 style side window cab
Including this photo of a clean loco
63862 Gorton works June 1960
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and Guide bridge when it had a proper station
63805 Guide bridge station
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Full collection starts here with
63604 + 63611 Staveley 20th May 1964
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to
63730 Doncaster 23rd June 1963
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to
63819 Tuxford
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to
63899 unknown location
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection of photos of Robinson Class B8 (GCR Class 1A) 4-6-0s "Glenalmonds"
The B8 was a smaller-wheeled version of Robinson's B2 Sir Sam Fay class, and were known as the "Glen Almonds" after the prototype locomotive Glenalmond. This first locomotive was built in 1913, one year after the B2 was introduced. A year later, construction of ten further B8s commenced. The B8s were mainly used on goods trains, as well as some slow passenger and excursion services. Initial allocations were to Gorton, Neasden, and Immingham. By 1923, five were allocated to Annesley. With the LNER's construction of further B7s in 1923, the B8s were displaced from the GC section to March to help with the GE Section's shortage of mixed traffic locomotives. The B8's height restriction posed a major problem, and they were returned to the GC Section by the end of 1926.
During the Second World War, the B8s were used on a variety of traffic including heavy goods services and troop trains. They also wandered far and wide, and Glenalmond was sighted in Edinburgh on at least one occasion.
Including this photo of 5446 Earl Roberts of Kandahar double heading another Robinson loco unknown location
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Full collection starts here with
5004 Glenalmond Colwick 6th October 1938
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to
5446 Earl Roberts of Kandahar
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Neil

 

I have added a new collection of photos featuring Robinson designs of the GCR/LNER

Robinson's Class 8G (LNER B9) was based on that of his Class 8F (LNER B4), but with driving wheels that were 1ft 3in smaller. Construction of the ten B9s was started by Beyer Peacock & Co as soon as they finished constructing the ten B4s. Before Grouping, the B9s were allocated to Gorton and Lincoln. The Gorton locomotives worked the main goods duties from Manchester to Marylebone, Hull, and Grimsby; whilst the Lincoln locomotives hauled fast goods services to Manchester. By 1926, the Lincoln engines had moved to Gorton, and in 1927 four moved to Trafford Park. The B9s were principally used on goods trains throughout their lives, although they were sometimes used on stopping passenger services and race specials to Aintree and Haydock Park. After the end of World War Two, they were concentrated in the Liverpool/Manchester area, with allocations to Stockport, Trafford Park, and Liverpool. Mainly used for freight, emergencies occasionally called for them to be used to haul passenger trains between Liverpool and Manchester.
Including this photo of
6106 still with GCR cab side number plate but with LNER on tender
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Full collection starts here with
1471
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Neil

 

I have added a lot of new photos featuring Robinson designs of the GCR/LNER
This collection features Robinson C4 (GCR Class 8B) 4-4-2 Atlantics 'Jersey Lillies'
Anticipating heavier traffic loads, the Great Central Railway (GCR) placed an order for four express passenger engines with Beyer, Peacock & Co. in 1903. For comparison purposes, two were 4-6-0s (LNER B1) and two were Atlantics of GCR Class 8B (LNER Class C4). The locomotives were as identical as possible, including the shallow firebox required on the B1 to clear the rear driving axle. As well as comparison purposes, the similarity in designs was intended to allow conversion of the C4s to 4-6-0s if required. All four engines were based on Robinson's earlier B5 4-6-0s, and featured two outside cylinders, and inside Stephenson valve gear with slide valves.
Traffic loads did not increase as significantly as expected, and when further express passenger locomotives were required, the Atlantic C4s were built rather than the larger B1 4-6-0s. A total of twenty five further C4s were built in three more batches from 1904 to 1906. These were built with deeper fireboxes due to the removal of the 4-6-0 restriction. In 1909 and 1910 the original two C4s were rebuilt with matching deep firebox boilers.
The C4s had classic Robinson looks and quickly acquired the nickname of 'Jersey Lilies' after a contemporary music hall star.
Including this photo of
5263 (right) and 2 GWR locos 8300 & 4934 Swindon shed c1932
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New photos start here with
2900 at Boston
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to
2919
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to
6091
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Neil