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Adams Locomotives of the L&SWR/S.R.

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  1. neildimmer

    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    I have added a large collection featuring the Adams 415 class ‘Radial Tank’
    Introduced in 1882 last loco withdrawn in the 1960’s
    Included is this photo of
    30582 Waterloo with Railway Enthusiasts Club 'South Western Adams Radial Tank Railtour' 19th March 1961
    https://tinyurl.com/y44x42pt
    also

    5 with EKR (East Kent Railway) on side tanks In 1919 went to the East Kent Railway as No. 5. Returned to Southern Railway 1946
    https://tinyurl.com/y4xy38yj
    L&SWR era photos start here
    https://tinyurl.com/y32awhem
    S.R. era start here
    https://tinyurl.com/y56r99vd
    B.R. era start here
    https://tinyurl.com/y5tehmdw


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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    The LSWR X2 class was a class of express passenger 4-4-0 steam locomotives designed for the London and South Western Railway by William Adams. Twenty were constructed at Nine Elms Locomotive Works between 1880 and 1882. The class were numbered 577–596, and were an enlarged version of the 460 class.
    All passed to the Southern Railway at the grouping in 1923. Withdrawals started in 1930, and by the end of 1933, only four remained. No. 592 went in 1936, numbers 587 and 590 were retired during 1937, leaving only No. 586, which was withdrawn in November 1942. All were scrapped.
    Full collection of 15 photos starts here
    577 unknown location
    https://tinyurl.com/59d7eele

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    Romsey Part of the furniture

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    Hi Neil,

    A few locations to fill in the gaps.
    18/67 218 Clapham Jn
    50/67 30213 Eastleigh Depot
    60 & 62 /67 30233 Eastleigh Marshalling Yard ( Possibly 61/67 as well.)

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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    The LSWR T3 class was a class of express passenger 4-4-0 steam locomotives designed for the London and South Western Railway by William Adams. Twenty were constructed between 1892–1893.
    The class were numbered 557–576, and had been intended as a variant of the X2 class with slightly smaller driving wheels (6 ft 7 in or 2.007 m versus 7 ft 1 in or 2.159 m). In reality, the coupled wheelbase was lengthened by 6 inches (150 mm) and the locomotive was fitted with a firebox 6 feet 10 inches (2.08 m) deep – the largest firebox of any of Adams' designs

    I have added 6 new photos to this collection starting here with
    557 at Dean with a Salisbury goods 1935
    https://tinyurl.com/4ap3moo5

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    neildimmer Resident of Nat Pres

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    The LSWR T6 class was a class of express passenger 4-4-0 steam locomotives designed for the London and South Western Railway by William Adams. Ten were constructed at Nine Elms Locomotive Works between 1885 and 1886.
    The class were numbered 677–686, and were a development of the X2 class, based on experience gained with the locomotives in traffic. The boiler was based on that used in the T3 class, and shared the main dimensions.
    All passed to the Southern Railway at the grouping in 1923. Withdrawals started in 1933, and by the end of 1937 only two remained. No. 684 went in 1940, and the last, 681 was retired in April 1943. All were scrapped.
    Included is this photo of
    686 pilots a T9 on a troop special at Swaythling bound for Southampton date unknown
    https://tinyurl.com/dstfnuxm
    Full collection starts here with
    678 on a Waterloo to Dorchester service
    https://tinyurl.com/1snlwt9c

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    torgormaig Part of the furniture Friend

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    Hi Neil

    There is a bit of confusion here. Photos 2/11 and 3/11 are as you say ex- Pickersgill GNoSR 4-4-0s but these are different to ex-LSWR T6s. They were sold to the SECR, not LSWR, and the Southern numbered them in the Ashford sequence rather than the Eastleigh sequence. So the loco in both 2/11 and 3/11 is A679 while that in 4/11 is E679 and is a T6.

    At the Grouping the Southern differentiated between locos of the three main constituent companies by adding prefexes to existing numbers. SECR locos had an A (for Ashford) prefex, LBSCR locos had a B (for Brighton) and LSWR locos had an E (for Eastleigh). This lead to the confusion as seen here, as many locos had similar numbers. ( B679 would have been a Brighton Terrier if it had not been sold to the Admirality in WW1) Eventually the Southern did away with the prefex by leaving the LSWR numbers as they were, while SECR locos had 1000 added to their number and Brighton locos had 2000 added.

    Hope this helps

    Peter
     
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    An interesting bit of trivia about those two pictures of A679 is that it is after having been reboilered with an ex-GNR boiler. So you have the slightly odd situation of a loco that was built for one pre-grouping company (the GNoSR), acquired by a second (SECR) but carrying a boiler designed by a third (GNR).

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    The London and South Western Railway B4 class was a class of 0-4-0 tank engines originally designed for station piloting and dock shunting. They were later used extensively in Southampton Docks for nearly half a century
    The locomotives were designed by the London and South Western Railway (LSWR) Locomotive Superintendent William Adams. They were unusual in having inside Stephenson valve gear but outside cylinders and coal bunkers on the footplate inside the cab. The class were originally built with Adams's design of stovepipe chimney, although these were later replaced by a lipped version designed by Adams' successor, Dugald Drummond. Some examples also had cut away cabs to improve visibility. They were designed for shunting in locations with a sharp curves, such as the dockyard at Devonport and as pilots at the major stations.
    The LSWR originally ordered ten locomotives in 1890 from its Nine Elms Works. The class was designated by their order number ‘B4’ and delivered during 1891 and 1892. A further ten locomotives were ordered in 1893 which were delivered in November and December of that year under order D6.
    Drummond designed a similar class of five locomotives in 1907, with a slightly smaller boiler and lipped chimney. These were delivered during 1908 under order K14. No. 84, delivered in June 1908 was the last locomotive to be built at Nine Elms Works prior to the works' transfer to Eastleigh. These locomotives were originally regarded as a new class. However, Drummond's successor Robert Urie, considered them to be so similar to the originals, that they were merged with the B4 class in 1912

    Service

    The first ten locomotives were allocated to major stations throughout the system including Eastleigh, Exmouth Junction, Bournemouth and Plymouth Friary (for use on Cattedown Wharfs and the Turnchapel branch). In November 1892 the LSWR purchased the Southampton Docks, and so both new and existing B4s were sent there over the next few years to replace the existing motive power as they became worn out. By 1899 their use as station pilots had ceased except at Exeter and fourteen were working in Southampton Docks. Other members of the class were assigned to various depots around the LSWR system, for yard and dock shunting.
    After 1923 the Southern Railway also used them at Dover Marine, Ashford, Stewarts Lane, Hamworthy (for use at Poole Quay) and at Guildford (as a shed pilot). At least two were retained at Eastleigh one of which was used to shunt the cramped goods yard at Winchester City railway station
    Following the introduction of the SR USA class to Southampton Docks in 1947, many of the class were made redundant. Withdrawals began under British Railways in May 1948, but others were still in good condition and eleven were sold during 1948/9 for industrial use. Withdrawals resumed in 1957 following the introduction of diesel shunters and by 1961 only three survived. These were withdrawn in 1963

    Over 30 photos in this collection including
    30083 Winchester shed May 1953
    https://tinyurl.com/4zhh4znk
    in private use
    30096 'Corral Queen' Southampton 7-10-1967 Adams B4 dock tank class 0-4-0T had been sold by BR to Corralls but still featured its BR number
    https://tinyurl.com/2e8ncxfu

    Photos start here with LSWR era
    https://tinyurl.com/jdxrd5dk
    S.R. era
    https://tinyurl.com/f2z4rb4p
    B.R. era
    https://tinyurl.com/35zmejn6

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    All these pictures are at Bournemouth depot.
    10/34 & 33/34 : 102
    16/34 30087

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    The LSWR G6 class was an 0-6-0T tank locomotive designed by William Adams for the London and South Western Railway.
    The late nineteenth century was a troubled period for the LSWR due to frequent motive power shortages brought about by employing a collection of ageing locomotives in an era of increasing rail traffic. There was a need to supplement this fleet with a new class of locomotive design that could undertake the mundane task of shunting in goods yards around the LSWR network.
    In 1893, the LSWR tasked their Locomotive Superintendent, William Adams, to solve this requirement for additional motive power. A new class of yard shunters was required to supplement the railway's current stock of 0-6-0Ts, which dated from 1881 and had been constructed by Beyer, Peacock and Company. Therefore, a need for a compact freight design was highlighted, with the G6 being the resultant locomotive class.

    Construction history
    The new design was designated the Class G6 by Adams, who intended the class to be an 0-6-0 version of his O2 class passenger locomotives The wheel arrangement was ideal for the tight curves and traction needed in shunting activities, with the shorter wheelbase helping to solve both these concerns. The G6 represented the only 0-6-0 design undertaken by Adams, with the resultant locomotive being a highly compact design Construction of the class began in 1893, and was undertaken in-house by the LSWR at Nine Elms works in London, with an initial batch of ten locomotives being constructed. The boiler also betrayed the pairing with the O2 Class because it was the same for standardisation purposes.

    Four further locomotives were constructed in 1896 as replacements for the B4 class 0-4-0T dock shunters at Southampton Docks due to their increased coal and water capacity and enhanced power This proved to be one of Adams's last deeds on the LSWR, as he retired to be replaced by Dugald Drummond.

    Drummond authorised a further batch of ten locomotives during the period 1897 to 1898 after being impressed with the performance of the class. A further, and final, batch of ten was ordered in 1900. However, both of these batches differed from the original ten because they utilised the boilers of Beattie Well tanks and other withdrawn locomotives. Very few modifications were undertaken during their working careers, with only the Adams stovepipe chimney being replaced by a Drummond lipped example, whilst vacuum brakes were also eventually implemented.

    Including this photo taken in works
    30270 unknown loco works
    https://tinyurl.com/2332syp2
    S.R. era photos start here
    239
    https://tinyurl.com/cnp92pa7
    B.R. era start here
    30160 Reading shed
    https://tinyurl.com/ru8m8n47

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    The LSWR 460 class was a class of express passenger 4-4-0 steam locomotives designed for the London and South Western Railway by William Adams. Twenty were constructed by Neilson and Company and Robert Stephenson and Company in 1884, and one in 1887.
    Adams had originally ordered ten locomotives from each manufacturer in 1884. In 1887 Robert Stephenson and Company built an additional locomotive for display at a Jubilee exhibition in Newcastle upon Tyne, after which, it was later sold to the LSWR. The class were numbered 147, 460–478 and 526, and were a small-wheeled version of the 445 class
    I have just 6 photos of this design of locos including
    526 Eastleigh 12th August 1928 (Former Jubilee exhibition locomotive)
    https://tinyurl.com/3hatazdr
    Full collection starts here
    466 at Waterloo on a Bournemouth service 22nd June 1901
    https://tinyurl.com/d9ap5tm5

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    I have added some new photos to the collection of Adams A12 + O4 Class 0-4-2
    The A12 locomotives of the London and South Western Railway were built between the years 1887 and 1895 to the design of William Adams. Ninety of the locomotives were built, fifty at Nine Elms Works and forty by Neilson and Company, although the latter together with the final twenty from Nine Elms were officially known as the O4 class. They were unusual for their time, with a wheel arrangement of 0-4-2. This arrangement was used by few of the other railway companies, and never proved popular (although the Great Northern Railway had 150 such locomotives). They bore the nickname "Jubilees", because the first batch appeared in the Golden Jubilee of Queen Victoria's reign.
    Photos begin here in the LSWR era
    529 unknown location
    https://tinyurl.com/yckzxtuc
    S.R. era start here
    555 Eastleigh 24th May 1939
    https://tinyurl.com/2p8vyr3y

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    42/43 No172 has the correct number as it is an LBSCR Stroudley B1 not an LSWR Adams A12. No 172 was the last of its class in service.

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    I have added a new collection featuring Adams X6 4-4-0 class
    Just 4 photos in this collection starting here with
    658 at Eastleigh in LSWR livery
    https://tinyurl.com/3hktntpa

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