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35005 Canadian Pacific

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by siquelme, Oct 23, 2013.

  1. siquelme

    siquelme Well-Known Member

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    I am actually quite glad she wont be on the mainline, I think she will make more money visiting other heritage lines, especially with Clan Line and the soon to return British India Line on the mainline (even add Port Line to that) there wont be much work for CanPac. I was on her yesterday and the work is progressing really nicely and we just need to get the boiler inspected so we can find out its condition.
     
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    I agree with you. When 35005 was operating on the main line 12 or so years ago, it was very different as the only other main line MN was Clan Line. Still, 35005 did put in some sparkling performances during her preservation-era main line career, if not up to 1960s standards as far as speed was concerned. I was on a trip back from Salisbury in 2002 where we averaged 74.5mph between Basingstoke and Brookwood. I believe she also put in a pretty impressive performance on Hildenborough Bank which ranked as one of the best ever by steam.

    Besides 35018 and 35027, which could both well be on the main line within a year or so, 35009 and 35022 should also end up on the main line eventually. I beleive that th intention of the 35025 owning group is to go mainline but sadly, since their removal to Sellinge, not a lot seems to be happening here. Not only will I be drawing my pension by the time Brocklebank Line goes on the main line but I suspect you, Siquelme, will be too!
     
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    Not got my MHR News yet despite being within spitting distance of the Station office!

    Had a couple of pleasant mainline runs behind CanPac when I worked on some Sunday lunch trains (we went down to Chichester if I recall correctly) in the late 90's but probably wisest to leave her heritage line only this time. I also recall a short footplate ride during santa season a long time back. Santa Specials and RATS will keep 35005 honest on the MHR, and as others more knowledgeable on footplate matters than myself have said, day to day running need not be needlessy profligate in matters of coal and water.
    Despite what us grumpy old men think about the power requirements for hauling trains on preserved lines, big, named, locos are attractive to the general public (and at least some enthusiasts too judging by the response to Clan Line on her MHR visit early this year)
     
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    No offensive to the 35025 chaps but I suspect you might be right.


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    The problem over 35025 is that they spent all their money on removing it from GCR. and they as far as i know have not replaced the non ferrious fittingss that were "lost" before the move.so they are in a no win situation, they have to pay rent to the owner of the land they occupy but can not start to do any further work because they are not activly fund raising or if they are they are keeping very quite about it
     
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    I have been doing a bit of internet searching and the official website is poor at best. They are tucked away and just a shame they are on a heritage line somewhere so they can actually interact with there target audience.
     
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    Finally got my hands on my copy of the MHR news and thought I'd share the entire statement about mainlining Canadian Pacific for those who arent members.

    "Main line or not?

    Those of you who did kindly responded to our questionnaire in the last issue provided us with some interesting and, at times conflicting views. One key area related to Canadian Pacific is whether it should be overhauled to operate on the mainline. Some of you said you would only support the project if we did, whilst others said precisely the opposite! Our original thinking was to go for the mainline option, but after more detailed consideration, we concluded that this was not financially viable. Our grant application was for £850,000 out of a project costing £1.45m, with much of the difference being provided as volunteer input. To get a mainline certification would have required lots of additional safety features plus the fitting of air breaks, which would have added at least £250,000 the cost.

    A few years ago the original larger tender with CP was swapped for a smaller one in much better condition and this renders the loco either less convenient for main line use (more water stops needed) or a new would be required. We did not want to push the grant application beyond £1m, as this creates further hurdles to jump with HLF and MHR/MHRPS did not want to commit large extra sums. We are confident that there will be lots of demand from the larger heritage railways to hire Canadian Pacific. "
     
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    Carl Watson who works for Arlington fleet services inside Eastleigh works uploaded recently of 35005. Its before her bogie and rear pony was removed but the photos quality is far better than mine and really shows alot of detail. The photo was taken on the 18th June so alots changed but still worth looking at.

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    The latest one of my CanPac diaries was posted 2 weeks ago but is still the most up to date source of 35005s strip down on the web. Click below to check it out.
    http://locoyard.com/2014/07/13/simons-journey-into-the-world-of-volunteering-entry-9/
    Cheers
     
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    CanPac at 105mph

    Following the popular mini series looking at the history of 35005 Canadian Pacific, I was lucky enough to come across one of her former fireman on Facebook. As part of the Mid Hants “Canadian Pacific – Engineering a Future from the Past” project (if the Heritage Lottery grant is successful) they will be creating a historical record (oral, video and displays) of how steam trains were used for evacuations from London in the Second World War, immigrants travelling from Southampton in the 1950s, holiday maker specials in the 1950s and 1960s such as the Atlantic Coast Express and other tales about the locomotive itself. After a brief chat Dave kindly agreed to write an article about a rather special run he was part of on May 15th 1965. So a big thank you goes out to Dave Wilson for sharing this wonderful tale about Canadian Pacific.

    http://locoyard.com/2014/10/22/35005-canadian-pacific-record-holder/
     
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    Better post that in the Bulleid thread too, as there's a certain Yeti & a "Gricer" who'll be more than interested! :);)
     
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    Great stuff. I was on that run and will never forget it. Gordon Hooper was the driver and he is still around. Saw him this year at the Nine Elms reunion

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    Both crew members are still around which is amazing and next year is the 50th anniversary of the run I do hope the Mid Hants get the 2 together for a photo shoot with the beast. They are applying for lottery grant with one of the objectives being "inspiring the young" and I think hearing about her doing over a ton by the guys who done it would help achieve that. Espically as it was done on the straight from Basingstoke to Winchester which is only a couple of miles from both the Mid Hants and Eastleigh Works where she currently is.
     
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    Both Gordon Hooper and 'Dropgrate' are legends! Dave is a good friend of mine and a very experienced engineman. I've seen and read some stories from Dave I can assure you. :)
     
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    Has he told you the story of the drive through south London to our house after the return to Waterloo early on the Sunday morning and the astonished look on my old mums face when she looked into the front room to see Daves coal dust covered face? Indeed a night I will never forget . The full story of this and many other tales involving 35005 and Dave plus much more from those last few years of steam will be in my forthcoming book when it's eventually finished

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    I should add progress with the loco is progressing nicely and the guys have done some amazing work on her. The last few visits I have done have involved stripping sown the front bogie which has been completely taken apart and assessed. It wasn't an easy job as we had a metal collar that didn't want to come out but In the end we got it out. I haven't myself visited since the last week of September due to the birth of my second child but it's safe to say work continues stripping down the beast and hopefully the Mid Hants will do official post soon.


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    Shame about non main line but I will still continue to contribute some if my publication fees

    Gricer
     
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    It's a shame but for me the correct decision. When she returns to steam in a few years we will have Clan Line fresh out of overhaul on the mainline, British India Lines and potentially Port Line. So plenty of Bulleids I think we would make more money sending it on visits to other lines you saw how popular Clan Line was at the spring gala.


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    Personally for me, I believe that all of the preserved Merchant Navy's (Including 35005) are best overhauled to mainline condition. I believe that coal consumption is better and that these fine machines need to stretch their legs. But that is just my opinion.
     
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    I suggest having a word with the people that run the Belmond British Pullman. If they could go over to steam for most of the regular runs rather than just a few Surrey Hills circulars and a couple of trips to Bath, it would provide enough work to keep about 3-4 MNs going on the main line on a constant basis. I really fail to understand why there isn't more of a determination to use steam. After all, compared with the overall cost of the dining package, an extra £20/£30 per head to have a steam loco rather than a 67 on the front is peanuts, and it's really the icing on the cake. I've been on the Pullmans a couple of times and the wonderful food tastes even more wonderful if you can watch the steam drifting past the window and hear Clan Line's whistle at periodic intervals. My wife and I celebrate our silver wedding in 8 1/2 years' time and I am hoping for a more enlightened attitude towards steam on the Folkestone runs by then, as we are wondering about going to Venice. After all, even with the triangle at Dover now no more, there are no worries about turning engines at most Kent destinations as the complicated rail network usually enables some sort of circular route to be devised. Also, the old arguments about not using steam because of potential problems with having to hold the train due to the late arrival of a ferry don't apply now the Channel Tunnel shuttle is used. MNs are ideal because they are 8Ps and can fit over most of the Kent network. 46233, 4472 and 60009 have worked the Pullmans round the Surrey Hills circuit but would be out of gauge for Folkestone (although I have to confess, I'm only going on what others have said. I don't know where the tight bits actually are!)
     

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