If you register, you can do a lot more. And become an active part of our growing community. You'll have access to hidden forums, and enjoy the ability of replying and starting conversations.

Welsh Borders Tour - 15th Feb - Loco ?

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by LMarsh1987, Feb 9, 2014.

Page 2 of 3
  1. RalphW

    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2005
    Messages:
    35,513
    Likes Received:
    9,194
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired-ish, Part time rail tour steward.
    Location:
    Northwich
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Just a short clip on Gresford Bank, not a good one but a record of it anyway. Wind and traffic noise a problem again.

     
    RalphW, Feb 15, 2014
    #21
  2. I. Cooper

    I. Cooper Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2011
    Messages:
    567
    Likes Received:
    666
    Location:
    Salop
    Approaching Leaton Crossing:
    [​IMG]


    Following loco service at Abbey Foregate Carriage Sidings:
    [​IMG]


    Climbing away from Shrewsbury up Battlefield Bank:
    [​IMG]
    (I may have been guilty of taking a pair of bolt cutters to the over-head plyon cables here)
     
    I. Cooper, Feb 15, 2014
    #22
    Jeff Albiston and THE MELTER like this.
  3. david1984

    david1984 Resident of Nat Pres

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,910
    Likes Received:
    1,387
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Birmingham
    david1984, Feb 15, 2014
    #23
  4. LMarsh1987

    LMarsh1987 Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    2,890
    Likes Received:
    3,616
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    TBC
    Location:
    Birmingham & Arley
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Galatea back on form !
     
    LMarsh1987, Feb 15, 2014
    #24
    Big Dave likes this.
  5. class8mikado

    class8mikado Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2009
    Messages:
    3,626
    Likes Received:
    1,454
    Occupation:
    Print Estimator/ Repository of Useless Informatio.
    Location:
    Bingley W.Yorks.
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Nice footage
    Almost too well for 13 ..... and a box?
     
    class8mikado, Feb 15, 2014
    #25
  6. THE MELTER

    THE MELTER Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2006
    Messages:
    420
    Likes Received:
    63
    Occupation:
    ENGINEER
    Location:
    BLACK COUNTRY
    Lovely pictures Mr Cooper,
    thank you,
    i may even bother you for one of those.

    The melter
     
    THE MELTER, Feb 15, 2014
    #26
  7. 30910

    30910 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2006
    Messages:
    945
    Likes Received:
    1,044
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Wirral
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    A short video of Galatea passing Prees Station:



    Chris
     
    30910, Feb 15, 2014
    #27
  8. lewis.maddox

    lewis.maddox Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2008
    Messages:
    890
    Likes Received:
    48
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Visitor Engagement Manager, Severn Valley Railway
    Location:
    Worcestershire
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    Yes I am an active volunteer
    lewis.maddox, Feb 15, 2014
    #28
    ragl, Jeff Albiston and RJM like this.
  9. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2009
    Messages:
    21,153
    Likes Received:
    20,931
    Location:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Yes. Jubilees would find the equivalent of 16/17 a bridge too far but it's good to see the loco running nicely.
     
    Big Al, Feb 15, 2014
    #29
  10. pnemickey

    pnemickey Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2008
    Messages:
    275
    Likes Received:
    23
    Occupation:
    Archaeologist
    Location:
    Penwortham
    shot of the Jube passing Preston at a fair speed this evening
    [​IMG]
     
    pnemickey, Feb 15, 2014
    #30
  11. Enterprise

    Enterprise Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    5,286
    Likes Received:
    3,087

    Ridiculous load for a Jubilee. I hope that is not the future for RTC excursions.
     
    Enterprise, Feb 16, 2014
    #31
  12. MellishR

    MellishR Resident of Nat Pres Friend

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    8,130
    Likes Received:
    5,211
    At this time of year, and with a route going up Gresford Bank, the options would have been double heading, a much shorter train carrying far fewer paying passengers, which probably would have run at a loss, or what they chose ̶ diesel on the back. So I think that choice was perfectly reasonable.

    Can anyone report on how much of the run the diesel was assisting for?
     
    MellishR, Feb 16, 2014
    #32
    RalphW likes this.
  13. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2009
    Messages:
    21,153
    Likes Received:
    20,931
    Location:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    This is a good example of when the RTC could do everyone a favour by stating up front in the publicity before booking that a diesel would be used, for all the reasons people in the know would understand rather than leave it up to people to work it out. Some will not be bothered but on the other hand, some will and at least that way you have the choice of what to do. The Valleys Explorer on 28/9 is an example of where we know that it'll be Tangmere plus diesel all day.
     
    Big Al, Feb 16, 2014
    #33
  14. J Shuttleworth

    J Shuttleworth Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2009
    Messages:
    462
    Likes Received:
    2,450
    Except that this was not an RTC train. After last week (and the fun & games of the current dire weather) no chances taken.

    JS
     
    J Shuttleworth, Feb 16, 2014
    #34
  15. Big Dave

    Big Dave Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2006
    Messages:
    466
    Likes Received:
    26
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    Bewdley
    Had no trouble with Gresford on Oct 5 last year also with 13 on the hook and then it was offbeat sounding like a V2.
    This run seemed to have a much cleaner fire than last week.
    Seems to me she is settling down nicely.
    Well done West Coast.

    Cheers Dave
     
    Big Dave, Feb 16, 2014
    #35
  16. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

    Joined:
    May 30, 2009
    Messages:
    21,153
    Likes Received:
    20,931
    Location:
    1016
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Mea culpa and apologies to the RTC for the mistake. However the general point still applies though and it's WCR who would call the shots on such matters for operational or whatever reason deemed it necessary. Weather apart though, 12 coaches plus a Jubilee up Gresford would always need diesel assistance, even in the summer. Four miles of 1 in 80 on her own would be a massive risk. This is a place where the mighty have fallen - 4498 for example, and only with 11.
     
    Big Al, Feb 16, 2014
    #36
  17. LMarsh1987

    LMarsh1987 Part of the furniture Friend

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    2,890
    Likes Received:
    3,616
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    TBC
    Location:
    Birmingham & Arley
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Assisted on the outward leg up Gresty, but was just ticking over for it's run up Battlefield. Take a look at my video above for your own opinion.
     
    LMarsh1987, Feb 16, 2014
    #37
  18. tnxrail

    tnxrail New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2011
    Messages:
    85
    Likes Received:
    46
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Warehouse Operative (Parcels)
    Location:
    West Midlands
    Heritage Railway Volunteer:
    No I do not currently volunteer
    Seen at Shrewsbury Station, a fair number of people out to:
     
    tnxrail, Feb 16, 2014
    #38
  19. Enterprise

    Enterprise Part of the furniture

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2005
    Messages:
    5,286
    Likes Received:
    3,087

    More my fault than yours! I take the point made by MellishR above but I would far rather pay a bit more to travel on a train with a sensible load and no diesel. I note that the WCRC website has, " Departing St Neots around 0630 (Peterborough around 0700 and Doncaster around 0830) with a diesel locomotive in charge we make our way across country to the railway hub at Crewe where we detach our diesel in exchange for steam traction.". With 13 coaches the diesel support was inevitable.
     
    Enterprise, Feb 16, 2014
    #39
  20. I. Cooper

    I. Cooper Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2011
    Messages:
    567
    Likes Received:
    666
    Location:
    Salop
    I suspect the diesel that brought the train into Crewe was detatched. ....before then running round and reattaching at the back whilst the steamer screwed on the front.

    On the run down to Shrewsbury as it came through Leaton the 47 was clearly only just on tick-over, I don't think its engine could have run any slower without stopping, but then the line is one great long downhill into the town. On the climb up past Battlefield I felt the 47 was sitting at slightly high revs than in the morning, but it still wasn't doing any shoving. Perhaps they'd turned all the heaters on in the carriages?!

    To be fair to West Coast, it's not been unheard of for them to send a diesel down shadowing the main charter train a short while behind if an addition loco is needed for shunting etc, so sticking the diesel on the back isn't always their automatic solution.
     
    I. Cooper, Feb 16, 2014
    #40
Page 2 of 3

Share This Page