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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Sidmouth, Jan 27, 2014.

  1. 61624

    61624 Part of the furniture

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    It was privately owned, so that is down to the owner (and whether anything suitable is available). If I was in his position I'd be getting in touch with John Bunch re the Standard 5 but sadly I'm not.
     
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    Time will tell what the owner has in mind; but the loco will certainly have an easier life at the relatively flat and straight Great Central. No 1in49 or the reverse curves like their is between Grosmont and Goathland.
     
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    Im not really surprised either. There all sorts of rumours flying about, the main one being that a contract for the engine couldnt be worked out as Stuart was wanting more for hauling the heavier trains with the powerful engine. Theres a logic to it as the 9F would be worked hard during the summer, but equally the NYMR need to be careful with costs too lately I hear.

    Stuart is a brilliant driver, and I've had the pleasure of meeting him and seeing him on the footplate a few times at the moors. He really knows engines and is approachable. Hopefully, if he reads this he might recognise me with my know trademark Black Hat.

    I know the money changing hands is something that is not going to be in the public domain, but as an engine owner Stuart has done well with the 9F. Its his choice if he goes looking for another. 60532 might be a really expensive option, but then I think he knows whats needed with an engine. Stuart would indeed be one who would do a good job with such a challenge, but as for other options I cant see him going and getting just another Black 5. Whatever he chooses, I wish him well.
     
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    Black Hat has just beat me to it. I recall reading somewhere that protacted negotiations had been ongoing between the owner and the NYMR as to the level of mileage payment for the locomotive.
    Perhaps a reasonable assumption that these negotiations were not able to be completed successfully, but I stress that is just an assumption. There may be other reasons?

    As far as I recall this engine had quite recently been through an overhaul, including possibly new tyres, so should be in good condition.

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    Quick profit and buy a certified black 5?
     
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    Not much call for a loco without a mainline cert on the NYMR these days, might be a biggish factor in the thinking I suppose.
     
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    there is a recently overhauled one in mainline condition that was advertised as for sale for the right price..
    might still be, there certainly is 1 too many certified Black 5's right now (44871,44932,45231, 45305, 45407, + 44767 is certified just not yet run), and now with 2 B1's to dilute the pot further..

    Class 5's outside Scotland, alone or in pairs, tend to be the bridesmaids not the expected brides on most rail tours.
     
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    Sure more than one would be available at the right price.
     
  9. ADB968008

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    and I forgot that 45212 is soon going to add to that list…. 7 black 5s all mainline at once.. surely thats more than was left in August 1968 ??
     
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    Eventually the fleet of BR Standard engine's we'll have at the GCR are

    78018
    78019
    70013 Oliver Cromwell (on mainline railtour duties but Loughborough being its base)
    92214
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    72010 (Once Completed)
     
  11. david1984

    david1984 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Here's hoping, my opinion on 48624 is well known.
     
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    Convince those at WCRC for another open day, invite No. 70013 and certainly there could be some interesting fun to be had with some recreations and added tours....

    But without digressing, I made the same comment on a facebook discussion that the strive for NYMR seeking mainline tickets for larger engines could indeed be something towards it. Ashame, as the strength of the engine works better for the NYMR than the flats of GCR. However, engine's change hands every so often and it's the changing variety this movement enjoys.
     
  13. stevegcr

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    So no point in that big blue thing as it's not suitable for the Whitby services , or the 2-10-0 WD that they are in the process of arranging to overhaul.

    Steve
     
  14. David-Haggar

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    Not a bad line-up of Standards but the Bluebell still has one more in total :)

    92240
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    75027
    80064
    80100
    80151
    84030

    Although the only two that are likely to steam within the next couple of years are Camelot and 80151.
     
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    Thought i had read that they had/were going to get a quote for overhauling the 9f's boiler ?
     
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    There's a place for these on the NYMR - even under the new timetable when the second Whitby platform comes into use, where will be some trains that only run from Grosmont-Pickering. If not, there's a risk of the NYMR becoming very dull motive power wise.
     
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    Sorry for going off topic, but what's to stop the NYMR approving things like the Lambton Tank and Q6 ?, surely they can manage a few miles at 35MPH, hardly a sprint down the WCML at 75MPH.
     
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    I have to say this new development has genuinely surprised me, as it looked like a certainty that 92214 would be staying put at the NYMR. A pity in a way as I could see much logic to having a 9F based there, a railway that was most suited to it's capabilities (pulling power wise).

    Not that I'll be complaining though, as 92214 will be equally at home on the GCR and, with the railway's expansions in the near future, will be a fine asset to have. Plus, as someone has already mentioned, the addition of the 9F will give the GCR a fine collection of BR Standards indeed. Bring in Hengist and, with a few other visiting Standard engines for the occasion, we'll really have something to show off!
     
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    The NYMR wont be becoming dull in terms of motive power any time soon. What your lacking there is the big engine mentality that makes lots of noise and steam but really is just showing off. A BR standard 4MT for most rosters most of the year works just fine. 75029 driven by Dr. Terry Newman hauled the dining train backwards up the bank to Goathland over the winter timetable with driving rain and wind. It still managed fine, but that really is a testament to the driver, others I think would struggle.

    With a pool of 75029, 76079 and 80135 next year, the NYMR owns a nice little group of engines that can work the line during the season. Engines like the two Black 5s add to the mix, while perhaps one roster left might be left for engines to grosmont pickering when the line starts passing trains for Whitby in Grosmont and the second platform makes turn round times quicker. I would think for every one train to whitby the next would terminate at Grosmont. Thats still many making the full trip to Whitby and the NYMR is after flexibility with engines able to go to Whitby no questions asked. Groups like the B1, 61264 have been made welcome and you would hope it returns during summer. Even Hartland will have a place, being better suited size wise and I would think it gets the kit for Whitby. Clearly the NYMR is aware that in the long term power is needed and the WD is getting attention to be the motive power of choice that the line owns for high season heavy loads. With luck the Q6 will return too as that is a task it can also perform easily.

    Its a shame that the 9F has gone, but not a surprise as an agreement was not reached. Its no surprise too that the A4 is to be based of Southall as its pretty much going to be the big name for the Cathedrals Express stand in for Tornado - although Gresleys lottery funding was depending on the engine getting onto the mainline too and it wont be long till another bid is in for the overhaul. I really hope Stuart does get another engine suited to the railway, but more so that the NYMR realise that there is a man wanting to own something and run it based there. But if the GCR has standards, can you send a BR 2MT back north, it would be great on Weardale or Wensleydale - the latter more promising for work.
     
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    Not sure on that, maybe Tom James can give an update on 92240 please? Last report I read was from a couple of year's ago that said the 9F was in basically good condition and required perhaps less than a year's work to overhaul her. However the loco is not high up on the overhaul list and would be put on static display at H.K. The boiler of 80151 though is to be overhauled in-house, pending the usual KUTP fund raising, so it can return to steam within the next few years.
     

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