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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by chris meadowcroft, Feb 14, 2010.

  1. buseng

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    As I mentioned before it would be easier to lock this thread as it is now pointless. Just a constant slanging match about the livery. Nothing against the loco or the team who restored/maintain it.
     
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    Ann etc - let them pontificate and protest - some of us have the experience, and track record, that extends for over forty years, beyond getting dirty and wielding heavy lumps of metal, albeit that is where we all started.

    The only reason that large quantities of railway infrastructure still exist, so that these people can indulge their fantasies, is because a generation that went before knew how to arrange all sorts of transactions to provide for future needs - including - I might add - the first home for 48624 ex Barry.

    I am not about to take either criticism - or offence - at how, or where I spend my preservation funds, or time, from anyone - suffice to say that anything in which I am involved is authentically presented, at both my cost - and my expense.

    I don't play silly games
     
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    I thought it was because woodham brothers decided to scrap wagons, your generation ended up destroying most of our locos and buildings and railways and forgot to preserve many many diferent classes of locos.
     
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    If you had been around in the50's & 60's you would realise that many people tried in vain to stop what was considered to be progress at the time. It was a very different world then. Be thankfull for what we have. If folk like Mr TBird had not been around the heritage rail scene would not exsist as it does today. I do not agree with Frank's opinion of the livery of 8624 but I belive he has the right to voice that opinion. Look at it this way, painting it maroon has raised the profile of a humble 8f to that of some of the more famous locomotives, in enthusiast circles at least, quite an achivement for a coat of paint dont you think

    Pete
     
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    RalphW Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Administrator Friend

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    Woodhams only decided to scap wagons because they were a lot easier to cut up and gave a quicker turn round on their investment in them as scrap. At that time they did not realise the future potential of saving the locos.
     
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    I think Frank is referring to Buxton


    Whilst I understand Franks position, I think it's only half the story, a correctly restored BR 8F is not authentic when trundling behind Blue and Grey Mark2's, into a station platform with an adjacent line of scrap condition stored coaches / loco's and a whole bunch of orange jacket wearing staff. When the ambient atmosphere of the railway is authentic then it's time to be pedantic about the locomotive.
     
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    Who remembers the thread some time ago about preserving a preserved railway? Tongue in cheek as it may have been, it's hard to deny the formative years of so many preserved lines is very much a part of railway history, and one which, if preservation gets too 'good' over the years, may be forgotten forever!
     
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    What is wrong with an 8F on blue and grey mark 2s? A five second flick and I have found a picture of 48476 on rake of blue and greys including mk2s. In fact the more Black engines on mixed blue and greys and maroons the better for me! Also I would hope the coaches are trundling behind the engine....

    Attached is a picture of preservation at its' best - Edward Sholto was reimported from the US and restored to Quarry condition. Although in this case the train isn't authenthic when it does get to a suitable location it will look just perfect!
     

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    Shouldn't an 8F just be pulling trucks??? That would be authentic. Used for its purpose...

    We don't live in the 40's, 50's or 60's. Some bureaucrats made a decision in the 50's and 60's about the future shape and composition of Britains railways. If it wasn't for the restorers and preservers, we would not have what we have today. We owe them respect and a debt that can never be repaid.
     
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    Thank you very much, it is nice to hear some positive comments about our loco regarding the physical restoration and not the colour ! A great many people along the years dismissed our loco as a pipe dream, amateurs playing at it, myself included at times ! But thanks to the knowledge passed on to us by our C.M.E and a dedicated group of friends (read Nutters! ) we pulled together, and besides some copper welding/foundation ring rivetting by Crewe, all the work was done by us, in the open, in ALL weathers........ Only the final 6 months or so was under cover.

    Give ourselves a pat on the back, even if others won't.....

    Bring on the next project !

    Simon H.
     
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    So Simon ...

    One of the possibly surviving Turkish 8F's , outshopped in TCDD livery by any chance . It would be good to keep those skill going and pass them on
     
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    8Fs worked plenty of passenger trains including the Royal Train. Just have a look in Power of the 8Fs. Three were fitted with steam heat which Green Park and Paxton Street found very useful.
     
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    So to be really authentic, not only does it need repainting but it also needs to have any steam heat equipment removed?!

    Sorry, better run and hide!

    (Just to further stir it, sounds as if it is a fine restoration job even in Maroon - it must be capable of steaming practically without coal if painted in BR Black!!!

    You do wonder what German Enthusiasts find to discuss - it was Black with Red Wheels and Frames from about 1920 onwards! Still, there is the bad side lettering to argue about........)

    Steven
     
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    Only two 8Fs were fitted with steam heat. They were 48309 and 48707. This equipment was fitted at Crewe Works in July 1955 and the locos worked the Royal Train over part of the central Wales line from Builth Road to LLandielo on 6th August 1955. The steam heat apparatus was removed from both locos on their next works visits, June 1956 for 48309 and October 1957 for 48707.
    Incidentialy 9Fs were not fitted with steam heat in BR days. Is 92220 fitted with it now? I know 92134, 92212, 92214 and 92240 are fitted with steam heat.
     
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    I am just going on what members of the 8F Loco Society have stated in the introduction to Power of the 8Fs . They also hold the Engine Record Cards for the class. The records show that 48309 kept it throughout its life and the connection is clearly visible in many pictures on the S&D in 1965 and 1966. Ivo Peters also states that the steam heat was used on the S&D and the 8F is seen on an RCTS special on the 2nd Jan 1966.

    The question is did a third engine (48330 or even 48728) have the equipment fitted? One thing is for sure H C H Burgess (the shed master at Paxton St) thought he had three fitted with SH and they even worked sleeper trains over the Cental Wales line.
     
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    Ahhh,so that be you!
    I came for a quick ride with you on saturday. You and the CVR lads accomdated us lot from 'over the hill' very well,a brilliant day. Glad you are enjoying our loco,it's good to see it being looked after and most of all,used!
    Just remember to keep a good back on that fire and she'll do the work for you! :)

    Chris
     
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    In the fullness of time, many things come to pass. 48624 is currently and temporarily painted black.

    Tim
     
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    and is probably being washed off so reverting to its current lined red
     
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    Further to Std tanks post those engines also hauled the Royal Train from Neyland to Aberystwyth and return 7th 8th August 1955.
    I took this information from Cambrian Companionship by T.P. Dalton and includes a picture of 48309 on Aberystwyth shed, the author regrets he could not be present to witness the ascent of Trawscoed bank.

    Cheers Dave
     
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    48624 developed leaks in three small boiler tubes about a month ago; the decision had already been made to replace the lot of this happened and the tubes were already in stock; the GCR staff at Loughborough have already removed all the tubes and the locomotive is expected back in traffic shortly.

    When the temporary black livery was washed off last spring it became apparent that a full repaint was required, and the locomotive was professionally repainted in black to a very high standard at a cost of around £5000. In contrast to all the previous foaming, this change has drawn no comment whatsoever!

    Tim
     
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