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Discussion in 'Railway Operations M.I.C' started by rough-shunter, Jan 10, 2008.

  1. ralphchadkirk

    ralphchadkirk New Member Account Suspended

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    Remember that most heritage railways run to their version of the 1975 rule book, not the 2009 NR book.

    Each railway's rules will be specific to the railway, unlike the NR rule book.
     
  2. cromptonlover

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    1972 Rule Book, Ralph
     
  3. ralphchadkirk

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    Whoops! Yes it is '72. My apologies.
     
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    Are you really saying that you would detrain your passengers and then go off with the train? If so, why please?
     
  5. ralphchadkirk

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    No, if you had read my post carefully, the train would be ECS therefore no one on it, therefore the guard (and possibly the 3rd man) would be with the passengers, and once they are in a position of safety propel the train back from the fire IF the train was in danger of catching alight from it, if not then leave it where it is, and continue with escorting the passengers back to a station.
     
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    Howard, I was thinking the same thing

    Ralph, the safest place for passengers is for them to stay on the train, unless they are in immediate danger whilst on the train - ie the raging inferno is the train itself

    You should NEVER detrain passengers unless you absolutely have to, let alone detrain them next to a "raging inferno"(they wander, they fall over things, they moan, trust me!)

    The line being blocked (by a fire, fallen tree or anything else) is an acceptable reason to propel out of section, once company rules have been satisfied
     
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    How did they get away with the incident with Tornado on the Valentines Day Run? The 67 pushed us, thats 13 carriages and Tornado from somewhere near Stains to Waterloo.
     
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    Tornado's driver had control of the brake & was in radio contact with the 67?
     
  9. ralphchadkirk

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    Just remember I'm not passed in rules, so I'm just saying what I think I might do.
     
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    So you'd move a train with no guard? Who's in charge of it?

    Hmm... probably best not to confuse the issue by talking about something you don't know enough about, then.
     
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    Yesterday I contacted an experienced MHR Guard to obtain clarification of the Mid-Hants Railway rules and procedures that would govern how the type of incident you have previously described would be dealt with. However, I now note your above admission that explains all !!!

    Chris
     
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    My apologies. I was under the impression that this was a discussion about what actually happens.
     
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    Not a propelling move, that is assistance from the rear
     
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    With no coal left and no ability to make operational steam pressure, surely the brake system would not be working correctly on Tornado?
     
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    Thats as maybe, it is still assistance in the rear, same as with failed DE
     
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    Wouldn't the 67 create the pressure, and the driver just control the braking?
     
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    I dont know but I can possibly see the brakes functioning but the driver would not be able to control the power on the 67.
     
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    I assume they comminicate via radio or something.
     
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    southyorkshireman Resident of Nat Pres

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    Not entirely, however, diesels have a pressure switch that acts when the air pressure in the brake pipe gets to a certain level which breaks the circuit between the generator and the traction motors, therefore traction can be stopped in an emergency
     
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    Propelling or shunting movements as I understand it used to be done via radio.

    Not sure if this is done these days - Pretty sure with Diesel nowadays this is done with a trip to power down the other loco?
     

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