6100 Royal Scot

Re: 6100 Royal Scot test runs

once again a arm chair fitter

 

Re: 6100 Royal Scot test runs

You know who 'Impala' is then? Or are you jumping to conclusions that he is an armchair fitter? Methinks it's the latter.

 

Regardless of who has or hasn't done what to this engine, I for one was thrilled to see it running again at Llangollen. So whilst all you real or armchair fitters are arguing the toss about history, i'd like to say thanks to all those who have contibuted in any way to her resurrection.

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http://johnleyland736.mediaobject.co.uk/p57692279.html

 

Is that a 5X with a big boiler??
:smt017 :smt017 :badgrin:

 

I love Royal Scot in LMS Red its just how I remember it as a young lad and when I had several Footplate rides on it when it was at Bressingham. However I have got to say it looks more handsome with the smoke deflectors on it. Would also like to see the bell fitted to it again.

 

I agree, don't worry - the 'blinkers' are back on this week

 

Apparently the bell is to be fitted again once she is fully finished.

 

The "American" bell going back on ?

What about a big parallel boiler, single chimney and 6152 number plate....

Complete the job!

46118

 

Parallel boiler =P~

If only! Still, it's nice to see two 'Scots' in steam again. About that double header over Shap.... [-o< Or 'Scots' passing at Preston on Anglo-Scottish (and vice versa!) specials... =P~ =P~

6100 looked good at SSS2, but I agree, it will be nice to see the smoke deflectors back on. I'm so used to seeing the 'Scots' with them that it looked distinctly odd without them!

 

The deflectors are back on, we fitted them on the Wednesday and she ran during the second weekend with them.

 

Thats not quite LMS red is it? i was of the impression it was a bressingham red, stunning engine just needs a bit of tinkering after being run for a bit at SSS2 and the bell putting back on. i'm not sure about the satin finish on the smokebox though

 

I'm no expert but I always understood you'd need more than a parallel boiler to get a Fowler Scot from a Stanier ?

 

Couple of yellow stripes along the side and it could be Royal Mail livery.

 

lol

 

Certainly not 5596 Bahamas red, Humbrol went out of business some years ago. Would look nice in post war LMS black (like 6115 first appeared in) and without the deflectors, not quite right but others members did appear like this, wonderful pictures by Eric Treacy of 6127 at Holyhead. Harold.

 

When 'Duchess Of Hamilton' was in mainline service all those years ago and painted in the far-too-bright Humbrol red there was a similar correspondence in the pages of the modelling mags. One of the outcomes of that was the publication of the Midland Railway's spec for crimson lake. From memory the Midland's undercoat for crimson lake was deep purple brown, and this shade, when combined with the top coat of crimson lake influenced the final colour. This was because the paint for crimson lake was fairly translucent and the purple brown showed through.

During the 1950s when BR tried painting many of the Stanier pacifics red, it made the mistake of trying to capture the shade of Midland crimson lake just in the top coat, which is why those engines didn't look quite right either.

I notice from a different topic that the blokes at Rowsley have also got their 8F in a totally fictitious shade of red too, but that's a different story. Personally I would prefer both engines to be in their historically correct liveries anyway, but when their owners can't even get their pretend liveries right I do wonder just how much knowledge people have about railway history!

Sorry if this offends.

Regards

 

If you get yourselves over to Crewe Heritage Centre this weekend you can compare the liveries of 6100, 6201 & 6233 as they will all be together.

We are planning to have 6201 (and possibly one of the others) in steam and doing demonstration runs in the yard on the Monday.

 

i would but im firing this weekend maybe someone can get pics if theyre all together

 

One of the main problems of 'matching' pre-nationalisation and early BR colours arises from the different pigments available to paint makers today. Back then they were usually based on inorganic pigments such as chromes (red yellow and green), all classed as extremely toxic today and not used. These pigments being inorganic/mineral offered good opacity/covering power, great light and heat stability.Todays pigments are organic (carbon based) and charaterised by exactly the opposite, poor opacity/poor light stability/chronic heat stability.
Provided an accurate colour standard can be obtained (can of worms in itself) it is easy to match any old colour with todays pigments, especially with colour computers. Problems start to arise, however, with the opacity of the top coat and the undercoat colour. If the match has been done on a white undercoat (common in colour lab's) and then paint is subsequently applied over grey/red primer the colour match will not be correct.
Colour fade from light and weathering is quite dramatic, even in our sunless country. This can be offset to a degree by the use of several overcoats of clear lacquer/varnish containing UV adsorbers. The worst fade, however, comes from heat effects and can often be seen when a loco has been repaired and patch painted.
Poor red matches often occur when a paint maker tries to use inorganic red oxide (perfectly acceptable toxilogically) and tint it to a clean bright or rich shade. Red Oxide is by virue a 'dirty' shade of dull red and almost impossible to bring up. The usual effort is to try by using white (Titanium Dioxide - light stable, good opacity) giving a pink shade. This is then enhanced by an organic red (often a rubine toner) and finally dirtied back with a touch of black. The mixture then starts to fade from day one at different rates because of the different typres fo pigment, then net effect is usually after time a dirty shade of salmon pink -the colour 5596 Bahamas ended up.
Hope this is of interest, I am an industrial chemist, and was a colour chemist in the automotive industry for over 25 years. Harold.

 

I was under the impression that the rebuilds also had new cylinders.