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Paint froth question!

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by Cartman, Nov 15, 2017.

  1. LesterBrown

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    Wikipedia covers it's brief career, comprising mainly of rebuilding and modifications quite comprehensively (lifted straight from the RCTS 'Locomotives' I think).
     
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    I must confess I always assume it was a made up model.
     
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    Like Tri-ang's "Nellie" etc the Drummond style 0-4-0T which appeared to have been built under Fletcher's Patent?
     
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    Chocolate and cream came back at the grouping in 1923
     
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    I've seen a fragment of it on an ancient toolbox at Didcot. "Deep" isn't how I'd describe it & I imagine that when freshly applied it was a bit shouty.
     
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    The Wikipedioa article isn't that great a summary of RCTS - its strange history was even more complicated than that... This is my shot at it.

     
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    Interesting. That's certainly not how one would describe the colour as reproduced in GWW, which I believe has a model at Steam as one of its sources. Holcroft talks about dark blue-green too, and he had seen it newly applied in the factory. Just goes to show how difficult this colour stuff is.
     
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    Thanks for info on GWR 101. I’ve got two, one in green and another was bright red so I sprayed it black and put a BR crest on!
     
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    Correction; having checked the RCTS books the brown loco livery was introduced while the carriages still had cream upper panels. According to the above some auto tanks were painted coffee-brown lined orange from 1905. Special livery for auto trains was abolished during WW1 but between 1919 and 1923 auto tanks were painted unlined crimson lake.
     
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    Well I guess that settles it. There is a genuine need for a 517 class, (or similar ilk) new build, so that a variety of pre-grouping liveries can be applied for general consensus....
     
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    Wolverhampton Turquoise with brown frames and wheels on the Severn Valley, Crimson Lake at Didcot with trailer no 92, Brown lined orange on the South Devon, Chrome Green on the West Somerset......I like the idea.

    But some b*gg*r would still want it painted BR black!
     
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    Like City of Truro? ;)
     
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    Wash your mouth out.

    Honestly, I don't know what goes on in some people's heads sometimes. Jeesh!!
     
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    The only trouble is that there was such a variety of detail around cabs, tanks, wheelbases, fittings, suspension and everything else that no 517 new build group would ever be able to agree on anything.
     
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    Actually Ross, 3440 did carry BR black (one side only) for a very short while (one morning) in about 1984 for an April Fool spoof by Steam Railway Mag.
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    So do we think No 1165 is in Brown lined with orange? Hard to tell with a b/w photo, but the lining is unlike GW green lining of the period.
     
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    Just to clarify; I like your reply, not your picture!
     
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    What also interested me in this photo were what appear to be a pair of large cut-outs in the rear buffer beam and some sort of box behind and beneath it, looking a bit like a well tank.

    I know a few Southern Division locos (0-6-0Ts) were equipped for fire fighting with a pump between the frames further forward and hoses carried in a box fixed to the back of the bunker. I wondered if maybe this was a Northern Division equivalent perhaps carrying the hoses beneath the bunker?

    Or is there another more mundane reason for those cut-outs (if that's what they are)?
     
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    Continuing that thread drift, I thought baulk road was one of Brunel's ideas that didn't work well in practice. How come it survived anywhere into the 20th century?
     
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    I thought it looked very smart!
     

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