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60163 The North Briton 29/04/17

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by iancawthorne, Apr 23, 2017.

  1. iancawthorne

    iancawthorne Well-Known Member

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    Looks like these are the times for Tornado's run over the S&C and the Tyne Valley.

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U53600/2017/04/29/advanced
    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U53601/2017/04/29/advanced

    Water at Long Preston, not Hellifield and no Appleby stop, guessing that's just down to it being a DB job and 60163 being able to do the distance.

    Does anyone know what stock will be used for this tour?
     
  2. BR 73082

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    Riviera Mk 1's I'm guessing, by virtue of the fact that there is a train arriving from Eastleigh (where their stabled) around 20 mins before the tour departs Leicester.

    http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U53607/2017/04/29/advanced
     
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    Wouldn't a water stop at Hellifield involve use of WCRC territory that would be unlikely to be approved?
     
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    I seem to remember Long Preston was a regular water stop (with a road tanker on the overbridge) in the 80's and 90's?
     
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    david1984 Resident of Nat Pres

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    How'd you figure that Al ? surely the goods loops or wherever watering is done is NR property ?.
     
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    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    I think that the access for a tanker has to cross WCRC property - that's the problem. Anyway, Long Preston has been used by DBC before so there must be a reason.
     
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    Think it is a twofold issue because whilst the sidings etc are NR, the water supply is a WC installation so presumably a chargeable arrangement would have to be agreed. If a tanker has to be used instead the fact @BigAl mentions applies. One way or another WC has access control so DBC + 60163 = Long Preston.
     
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    It was indeed.
     
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    So much for the hope of a united and co-operative set of TOCs operating in the Charter Market then...
     
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    It seems as though Long Preston is a more convenient place to water and as the timings allow it to sit there for a quarter of an hour or so, why not?
     
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    26D_M Part of the furniture

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    Not sure how true it is but apparently the supply to the Hellifield tank comes diverted from a nearby water course not a main.
     
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    Hellifield water tank is on the wrong side, however northbound have watered from a tanker either up towards the shed, or a hydrant in the station car park. Tanker can be a problem in the car park as it's not very big and could be unable to get close with parked cars already there.
    Supply to the tank used to be via a hose pipe from the station, hence the reason for problems if 2 trains want to use it the same day, tank takes a long time to refill.
    Long Preston was used often in days gone by.
     
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    All the RTC Sunday Waverley trains from York to Carlisle take water at Hellifield so there must be an effective arrangement in place there.
     
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    In the past RTC trains have had a tanker using the WCR access north and the static tank south. Can't see any reason for this to change.
     
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    So question answered then. It's just more convenient to water at Long Preston and it presumably suits everyone to do so. The run straight through Appleby will also make for a pleasant continuous run over the S&C and that is unusual.
     
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    About 10 late into Carlisle, 10 late departure from Long Preston.
     
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    Tornado at Helwith bridge .

     
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    Didn't seem to be in much of a hurry Steve much the same at Lunds
     
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    Great Britain 2b.jpg

    Seemingly in no particular hurry, LNER A1 Class 4-6-2 No. 60163 'Tornado' heads 'The North Briton' over Lunds Viaduct on the climb to Aisgill summit
     
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    12 late leaving Carlisle.
     

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