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35011 General Steam Navigation

Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by GSN, May 15, 2015.

  1. Big Al

    Big Al Nat Pres stalwart Staff Member Moderator

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    Speaking as a MN fan, I do find it interesting that anyone would choose to recreate a design that for whatever reason was superseded by something better. Agreed that possibly 21st Century technology might help to address any issues that became apparent in the original and, of course, there wouldn't be any debate about cost effectiveness that might have prevailed back then.

    Obviously if you start with something in an original form, whatever class we may be talking about, then it makes sense to keep it that way but to turn the clock back on something that has already been 'tweaked' is an interesting one that probably needs a person with very deep pockets.

    But that's what dreams are made of, I guess.
     
  2. martin1656

    martin1656 Nat Pres stalwart Friend

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    well the only working one, will be 35006, so where is the most likily location, can the GWR afford to hire in 2 further Bullieds next year, if so how about Taw valley and Sir Keith Park?
     
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    Indeed, it is a fascinating concept in retro restoration. Looking at 35011, it is very much a "bare bones" project that would require very deep pockets to complete it as a rebuild anyway, probably at a similar cost if the choice was to take it back to an "air-smoothed" original condition.

    I wonder if the reasons for the original rebuilding of the Bulleids is still valid in today's preservation climate, bearing in mind the number of un-rebuilt "Lightweight" pacifics around that are operating successfully on preserved railways and main lines. It would make for a really spectacular machine if it was rebuilt in it's original form; as you say, what dreams are made of.

    Cheers

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    35018?
     
  5. david1984

    david1984 Resident of Nat Pres

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    Understand that view with many loco's (I argued the same about Manors when someone suggested one in GWR livery) but Spamcan and others have argued that with the better maintainance in preservation and such like, the Spamcan design is far less problematic, certainly I can't recall any mass hysteria about the preserved Spamcans oil baths catching fire or the reverser going wild, personally I far prefer the rebuilds over originals, but there are enough MN's about for one in rebuilt form not to be missed, most numerous class 8 type we have by far.
     
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    Is that an indication it's nearly ready?
     
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    but it is very unkiliy to be running on any prserved railway, unless, that railway has a main line connection, and there isnt any work for it, i would imagine as Clan line will be in bits by then in Crewe, that number 18 wont be short of work, i just hope that Carnforth fit her with Air Brakes , the owner, if its who i still think it is, registeres her with both WCRS and DBS
     
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    As said above it will cost a lot whatever restoration takes place.
    The idea to un-rebuild is maybe the best idea as in 5 - 10 years you could have 35005, 6, 9, 18, 22/27( depending which is done first) & 28 in ticket.
    So to catch the public's attention and maybe generate more donations taking it back to original could be the best idea.

    Steve
     
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    Many interesting posts re. design but he is still looking for somewhere suitable to keep it let alone raising finance and labour for the build.

    It is important to work out what to do with it once completed though, mainline ability will add considerably to the budget. Movement costs will be expensive if hiring out to preserved lines so it does need a home where it will be used regularly.
     
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    so that would be? if in the south, i would say Bluebell, go very nicely with a rake of Bullied coaches, and with the loadings they now get, it may not be quite so much a white Elephant , other lines, GWR, again with Broadway and the hoped for increases of traffic, then theres the WSR, again decent loads, and they may have the space to overhaul it, if thet railway can get over the fact its not a Western region loco. actually, it would fit it very well, running down to Minehead, with an ACE headboard :)
     
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    When is 257 squardon due to be ready? If so Swanage could hire P&O and say Braunton to go with 257 and Manston? Or SVR could do SKP, TV and hire those two. Plus 92 Squadron shouldnt be too long till in steam. How far off is Swanage at Mid hants? Plus JHs MN will be out in the next few years i would have thought. Tbh i would imagine that there will be a good few galas of the next 5 years for Bulleids. Not to mention GCR with Boscastle also.
     
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    Please can I ask again for every one to keep a look out for a new temporary home for 35011.

    Regards
    Dave
     
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    Presuming from the last past the Birch family want rid?
     
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    Dave, have you been asked to vacate, or hints given that the site is not secure dispite the lease?
    if so, you need to start asking , so who have you asked so far? for instance, have you contacted the Gloucester and Warikshire to sound them out, are you and the owner in a position to arrange transport, do you have funds up front ? my advise is, dont look at a temporary home, look longer term, it has to be a place that has an engineering base, and prebably a running railway, that you can fund raise from, for instance, had you moved 35011 to the GWR, years ago, you could have used the return of 35006 to push your plans
     
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    It's always worth asking, but I'm not sure there is a home for it at the GWSR, currently under overhaul is 44027, ok, that's nearly done, but will be swiftly replaced by 3850. Work is only just beginning on 2874 which I guess you could say takes the place of 4270 from last year, and P&O once finished will be replaced with the 4MT in the headshunt whose number escapes me. 7903 is also partly under overhaul at Toddington (rest at Tyseley) so it looks like 4 locos under overhaul is all that there is space for, and add to that 44901 if that ever happens means the GWSR is pretty well off for locos for some time if you consider how the current running locos will rotate round for overhauls.
     
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    It's 76077, Alex.
     
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    Thanks, knew it was something like that, once it gets into 5 figures I start struggling!
     
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    Also isnt the 4F, 8F and 44901 all leaving GWSR? 8F already has, 4F isnt being given a contract and the 5 isnt even going there.
     
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    On Who's authority have you made that statement!
     
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    Which statement? All I've done is sum up the current loco situation and said "I'm not sure" that there would really be room. I think most people tend to agree that the loco situation on the GWSR is looking pretty healthy, in fact too healthy at the moment, hence why the 8F went and 7820 is off for the summer, as many moons ago (before landslips) we were going to be at Broadway by now.
     

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