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Urie L&SWR N15 'King Arthurs'

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  1. neildimmer

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    The LSWR N15 class was a British 2–cylinder 4-6-0 express passenger steam locomotive designed by Robert W. Urie. The class has a complex build history spanning three sub-classes and eight years of construction from 1919 to 1926. The first batch of the class was constructed for the London and South Western Railway (LSWR), where they hauled heavy express trains to the south coast ports and further west to Exeter. After the Lord Nelsons they were the second biggest express passenger locomotives in the Southern Railway.
    Following the grouping of railway companies in 1923, the LSWR became part of the Southern Railway (SR) and its publicity department gave the N15 locomotives names associated with Arthurian legend; the class hence becoming known as King Arthurs.[2] The Chief Mechanical Engineer (CME) of the newly formed company, Richard Maunsell, modified the Urie locomotives in the light of operational experience and increased the class strength to 74 locomotives. Maunsell and his Chief Draughtsman James Clayton incorporated several improvements, notably to the steam circuit and valve gear.
    The new locomotives were built over several batches at Eastleigh and Glasgow, leading to the nicknames of "Eastleigh Arthurs" and "Scotch Arthurs" in service. The class was subjected to smoke deflection experiments in 1926, becoming the first British class of steam locomotive to be fitted with smoke deflectors. Maunsell's successor, Oliver Bulleid, attempted to improve performance by altering exhaust arrangements. The locomotives continued operating with British Railways (BR) until the end of 1962. One example, 30777 Sir Lamiel, is preserved as part of the National Collection and can be seen on mainline railtours
    Robert Urie completed his H15 class mixed-traffic 4-6-0 design in 1913 and the prototype was built in August 1914. It showed a marked improvement in performance over Dugald Drummond’s LSWR T14 class 4-6-0 when tested on local and express passenger trains. The introduction of ten H15 engines into service coincided with the outbreak of the First World War, which prevented construction of further class members. Despite the interruption caused by the conflict, Urie anticipated that peacetime increases in passenger traffic would necessitate longer trains from London to the south-west of England. Passenger loadings on the heavy boat trains to the London and South Western Railway’s (LSWR) ports of Portsmouth, Weymouth and Southampton had been increasing prior to the war, and was beginning to overcome the capabilities of the LSWR’s passenger locomotive fleet.[3] His response was to produce a modern, standard express passenger design similar to the H15





    "Urie N15s'' 30736-30754 (1918-1923)




    The N15 design was approved by the LSWR management committee, though the order for construction was postponed until wartime control of raw materials was relaxed.[4] Government approval was obtained in mid–1918, and Eastleigh Works began to produce the LSWR’s first new locomotive class since 1914.[4] The first locomotives, later known by crewmen as the "Urie N15s", were built in two ten-engine batches by the LSWR's Eastleigh Works between 1918–19 and 1922–23.[8] Of the first batch, the prototype, No. 736 entered service on 31 August 1918, with four more appearing between September 1918 and April 1919.[4] They shared a similar profile to Urie's H15 class with the use of flat-sided Drummond-style cabs with gently curving roofs. The double bogie tenders were outwardly similar in appearance to those used on the H15s, although strengthened during construction with extra internal bracing to hold 5,000 imperial gallons (22,700 l) of water.[7] A shortage of copper delayed completion of Nos. 741–745, and the last of the batch emerged from Eastleigh in November 1919.[9] After the running-in of Nos. 736–745 and an intensification of the LSWR timetable to the West Country, a second batch of ten was ordered in October 1921.[9] They entered service over the period June 1922–March 1923, and were numbered in the series 746–755.[9]
    At "Grouping" in January 1923, the LSWR became part of the new Southern Railway, whose Chief Mechanical Engineer was Richard Maunsell. Maunsell planned to introduce his own designs of express passenger locomotive, one of which was to become the future Lord Nelson class.[10] Despite this, there was a short-term need to maintain existing services that required modification and expansion of Urie's N15 design





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    741 Joyous Gard



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    749 Iseult Urie-Maunsell N15 King Arthur pokesdown 14 feb 1939




    751 Etaree

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    751 Etare Urie-Maunsell N15 King Arthur at Pokesdown station 24 march 1939


    E742 Camelot up St Malo boat train Esher July 1931





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    751 Etarre Waterloo



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    752 Linette minus deflectors


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    30736 Excalibur+1935 Dean-Armstrong 1901 0-6-0PT class Oxford
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    30739 King Leodegrance Dorchester 2.20pm Weymouth-Andover service 27th August 1954
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    30750 Morgan Le Fay


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    30754 The Green Knight



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    The Drummond G14 and P14 4-6-0s were rebuilt to the N15 specification at Eastleigh, a lack of production capacity due to repair and overhaul meant that Maunsell ordered a further batch of 20 locomotives from the North British Locomotive Company in 1924.[15] The company had under-quoted to gain the contract, which meant that production of the batch was rushed.[16] The necessity to maintain an intensive timetable on the Southern Railway’s Western section prompted an increase of the order to 30 locomotives (Nos. E763–E792).[16] Their construction in Glasgow would gain them the "Scotch Arthurs" nickname in service.[10] They were all delivered to the Southern Railway by October 1925, and featured the front-end refinements used on the Drummond rebuilds.[6]
    The North British batch was built to the Southern's new composite loading gauge and differed from previous batches in having an Ashford-style cab based upon that used on the N class.[6] Unlike the Drummond cab retained by Nos. 448–457 and E741–E755, the Ashford cab was of an all-steel construction and had a roof that was flush with the cab sides, allowing it to be used on gauge-restricted routes in the east of the network.[11] It was inspired by the standard cab developed in 1904 by R. M. Deeley for the Midland Railway, and was one of a number of Midland features introduced by Clayton to the SECR and subsequently the Southern Railway.[6] The smokebox door was revised to the Ashford pattern, which omitted the use of central tightening handles in favour of clamps around the circumference.[12] The batch was fitted with the Urie-designed, North British-built 5,000 imp gal (22,700 l) capacity double-bogie tenders





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    775 Sir Agravaine Cheriton 15th July 1947





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    Only preserved King Arthur



    777 Sir Lamiel Nine Elms shed 20th May 1932





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    784 Sir Nerovens passing Walton

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    785 Sir Mador de la Porte


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    787 Sir Menadeuke


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    788 Sir Urre of the Mount Nine Elms 1947


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    Carrying on with the N15 King Arthurs : The Scotch Arthurs this next collection features




    30755-30792 (1925) B.R. era
    30758 Sir Hectimere
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    30763 Sir Bors de Ganis


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    30764 Sir Gawain Southampton


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    30769 Sir Balan+30768 Sir Balin Urie King Arthur class


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    30770 Sir Prianius (L)+ 30450 Sir Kay (R)



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    30772 Sir Percivale Eastleigh 8th November 1959


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    30773 Sir Lavaine Basingstoke 1957


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    Now preserved 30777 Sir Lamiel



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    30777 Sir Lamiel Basingstoke 1960 Urie & Maunsell N15 'King Arthur'
    30787 Sir Menadeuke (Scotch Arthur N.B Built) 09-20am Birkenhead to Bournemouth at Oxford May 1949




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    30792 Sir Hervis de Revel


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    Maunsell’s "Eastleigh Arthurs": Drummond rebuilds]
    Maunsell's projected design of express passenger locomotive was not ready for introduction during the summer timetable of 1925, so a third batch of ten N15s was ordered for construction at Eastleigh. This batch was part of an outstanding LSWR order to rebuild 15 of Drummond’s unsuccessful 4-cylinder F13, G14 and P14 classes 4-6-0s into 2–cylinder H15 class locomotives.[6] Only the five F13s were converted to H15s; the remaining ten G14 and P14s (Nos. 448–457, renumbered E448–E457) were rebuilt as N15s, implementing modifications to Urie’s original design.[11]
    The modifications are attributed to Maunsell’s Chief Draughtsman James Clayton, who had transferred to Ashford railway works in 1914 from Derby works. They were the result of cooperation between the South Eastern and Chatham Railway (SECR) and the Great Western Railway (GWR) when Maunsell was seconded to the Railway Executive Committee during the First World War.[11] The aim was to create a series of standard freight and passenger locomotives for use throughout Britain, and meant that Clayton was privy to the latest GWR developments in steam design. These included streamlined steam passages, long-travel valves, the maximisation of power through reduced cylinder sizes and higher boiler pressure.[11]
    Maunsell initiated trials with Urie N15 No. 442 in 1924, and proved that better performance could be obtained by altering the steam circuit, valve travel and draughting arrangements.[6] As a result, Clayton reduced the N15 cylinder diameter to 20.5 inches (520 mm) and replaced the safety valves with Ross pop valves set to 200 psi (1.38 MPa) boiler pressure.[12] The Urie boiler was retained, though the Eastleigh superheater was replaced by a Maunsell type with 10 per cent greater superheating surface area.[6] This was supplemented by a larger steam chest and an increased-diameter chimney casting specially designed for the rebuilds.[13] It incorporated a rim and capuchon to control exhaust flow into the atmosphere.[13] Valve events (the timing of valve movements with the piston) were also revised to promote efficient steam usage and the wheels were re-balanced to reduce hammerblow.[12][14]
    When rebuilding was complete, only the numbers, smokebox doors with centre tightening handles and the flat-sided cabs remained of the G14 and P14 classes.[13] The rebuilds retained their distinctive Drummond "watercart" tenders, which were modified with the removal of the complex injector feedwater heating equipment.[6] The "watercart" tenders were of 4,300 imp gal (19,500 l) water and 5.00 long tons (5.1 t) coal capacity.[12] The ten rebuilds became the first members of the King Arthur class upon entering service





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    449 Sir Torre (King Arthur class) + 824 (Urie S15) Exmouth Jct shed 1929







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    455 Sir Launcelot


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    30449 Sir Torre Clapham Jct 21st May 1956


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    30450 Sir Kay (R) + 30770 Sir Prianius (L) Urie King Arthur


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    30457 Sir Bedivere Nine Elms


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    The Scotch Arthurs should be 763-792, not 755-792. 757 and 758 were mythical named tank engines not seen by most spotters.

    Question. Given that the most famous names in Arthurian legend were King Arthur, Queen Guinevere, Sir Lancelot and maybe Sir Bedivere, why were the Urie Arthurs given such relatively obscure names ( Etarre, Vivien, Joyous Gard etc)? Were the Urie Arthurs not named until after the 1925 series? And did 453-457 actually precede 448-452?
     
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    If you look at the names, all the Maunsell locos were Sir [something or other] except 453 and 454, which were "King Arthur" and "Queen Guinevere". All the Urie locos had names associated with Arthurian legend, but not specifically "Sir Something" - hence Joyous Gard, Etarre, Camelot etc.

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    I kind of agree, Excalibur being a good example. But how about Uther, King Pellinore.....? I guess they were from the legend but not Knights of the Round Table. By the way, I never believed all those names from 763-806 were for real until I looked them up (except Sir Prianius which was a misspelling of Sir Priamus). There were a whole lot of even more obscure names they didn't use!
     
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    Ooops missed that, now corrected, also colour photo moved as it is 30798.

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    neildimmer Part of the furniture

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    Final collection of Urie King Arthurs features the The Eastleigh Arthurs 30793-30806 (1925-1927)
    New photos include

    797 Sir Blamor de Ganis


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    799 Sir Ironside


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    30793 Sir Ontzlake unknown location August 1962


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    30795 Sir Dinadan


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    30796 Sir Dodinas le Savage

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    30799 Sir Ironside Basingstoke 9th April 1960


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    30800 Sir Meleaus de Lile


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    30802 Sir Durnore Basingstoke March 1961


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    30804 Sir Cador of Cornwall nameplate


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    30805 Sir Constantine


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    Neil
     

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