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The Christmas White Rose 21/12/2016

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by peckett, Dec 15, 2016.

  1. peckett

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    As probably expected the Cambridge to York tour is now steam from Peterborough only There is a light engine movement on the 20th from York ,via Spalding for 46233.
     
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    I'm on this one - Confirmed via our E-Ticket today. Also confirmed 46233 unassisted from Peterborough. Looking forward to my first "Pure" steam trip....
     
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    Timings on RTT for the northbound trip: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U54779/2016/12/21/advanced looks like the same path as they used for the 'York Yuletide' on 8th December. Hope the Duchess does better on Stoke Bank than she did that day.

    Interested in the comment from gentryman73 on the 'York Yuletide' page that the Duchess was going well at Balderton on 8/12 but 18 minutes down. When she passed me on Stoke Bank at about 1125 she was really struggling, tons of black smoke and a lot slower than usual, making very heavy going of it - and she was about 16 late at that point. The log on RTT for that day shows she was right time off Peterborough and also at Helpston Junction, but 10 down at Tallington Junction only about 3 miles after Helpston. She was 16 down at Stoke Junction and lost a further 3 down to Grantham - so 19 minutes lost in about 29 miles up and over Stoke Bank on a 40-minute schedule from Peterborough to passing Grantham (!). She picked up a minute onward to the stop at Babworth, then kept schedule time all the way up to York.

    Anybody know what went wrong after Helpston? Steaming/boiler problems I'd guess - it don't think it was a conflicting movement there was nothing up the bank on the Down Slow for at least 20 minutes before the Duchess. That was an intermodal and it was running a bit early I think, it passed me before the special reached Tallington.

    Can't see 'Sutherland' taking 17 unassisted over Shap like they did in the old days, not in the form she showed on Stoke Bank on 8th December. Don't think I've seen so much clag since the good old days pre-'68 (but then I only saw 'City of Wells' on the S&C once!).

    Sorry can't get the RTT link to turn blue but it does work.
     
  5. FlyingScotsman4472

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    Anyone explain the reason why 46233 is going through platform 3 at Newark Northgate on the return passing through not stopping?
     
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    It's not a scheduled stop so why would it not go straight through.
     
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    Maybe the through platform is occupied by another train. Just a thought.

    Peter
     
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    Exactly my question why when it is not a scheduled stop put it into platform 3. It doesn't make any sense why not to keep it going straight through on platform 2. Must be a error nothing on RTT to suggest any other reason.
     
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    Open Time Trains also states Platform 3.
     
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    Very odd indeed.
     
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    Interesting but pure coincidence that this is the second occasion in recent times that an otherwise seemingly healthy Pacific has struggled on this same section. Two years ago, 60009 UoSA, hauling RTC's Jubilee Requiem (25.10.2014) encountered some difficulties with priming along the Tallington/ Little Bytham section, on that occasion causing speed to fall by about 10 mph to 43 mph and in the process losing around eight minutes on schedule to Stoke after an on-time departure from Peterborough. (Source - Gricer Don's HR column - Issue 196 and inputs to the Jubilee Requiem thread at that time)

    Given the mention of possible steaming/ boiler problems, I wonder if there could have been any similarities in the difficulties encountered - although a sixteen minute loss to the same point suggests that the problems were considerably greater with the Duchess than the A4. Either way, it seems that both runs soon picked up once over the top of Stoke, and both enjoyed a decent spin down to the Trent Valley.
     
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    Thanks for the input Where's Mazeppa. Might it be just because of too quick a start from Peterborough pulling the fire to pieces and then having to fire heavily to keep pressure? Or priming is another strong candidate of course. The Duchess is sounding lovely and sharp at the front end at present so she might have a strong exhaust beat when she's opened up to get away. Sorry, I haven't got my picture of her on Stoke Bank on the 8th available on this computer but I'll try to post it ASAP.
     
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    Will let you all know how she gets on today from onboard - although being from 'down south' I'm not massively familiar with the line so might not be able to tell exactly where I am...
     
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    On time at Peterborough, just waiting for the 46233 to hook up.
     
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    Smartly to 51mph out from peterborough
     
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    ma-46233STOKE10122016 - Copy.JPG One from the 10th near Stoke Summit didn't get out of the car grim light .Priming on the 25/10/2014 was due to the boiler being over filled, water was coming out of the safety valves when it passed me.
     
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    Checked several times sofas just as we keep getting into our stride...
     
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    43 through Grantham, checked just outside the station
     
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    Sprin out from Grantham running along nicely at 75.3
     
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    Cruising nicely at 75-77mph - lovely run!
     

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