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Ten foot or Six foot?

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    From the NR PTS course, It says that the six foot is the normal distance between lines, and the 10 foot is where they are more apart than the normal.
     
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    Re: May 2009 Issue

    'The ten foot is the space between one line and another where there is a wide space between a pair of lines and there are three lines or more. This distance may be less than 10 feet.' GE/RT8000 Module G2 Section 3.

    On many four track lines it was Cess/4'/10'/4'/6'/4'/10'/4'/cess but the ten foot can be almost anywhere. Where there are multiple tracks there is nearly always a wide gap on one side of a running line (and sidings where shunters work) and this is the ten foot side.
     
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    I was always told that it would be cess/4ft/6ft/4ft/10ft/4ft/6ft/cess.


    From the NR PTS course video:
    10 foot:
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    6 foot:
    [attachment=0:607mfs1h]pt2.png[/attachment:607mfs1h]


    The picture was of two track platform, tracks normal distance apart.
     
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    Re: May 2009 Issue

    Are not the screenshots simply illustrative of what a six foot and a ten foot look like? historically, when first built double track railways had 6 foot between them (actually 6' between the outer edges, not the running edges) and the signals were on the cess side. If the lines were later quadrupled, there would be ten feet between the existing lines and the new outer lines. This allowed for both signals and people to be clear of a running line.The tracks were then, say, depending on direction, up slow, up fast, down fast & down slow. In other circumstances, quadruple tracks were laid out as, say, Up fast, down fast, up slow, down slow. In this case, the ten foot way was between the two middle tracks and, again, allowed for signalling. Where sidings or loops were laid adjacent to a running line it was usual to allow a ten foot way betwen the siding/loop and the running line. I don't think that you get signal posts in a six foot way.
    There is simply no standard as to where the six foot and where the ten foot is but it is reasonably logical when you look at the actual tracks at any particular location.
     
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    So, the photo in question should be the 6" then!
     
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    Re: May 2009 Issue

    The six foot is between 2 running lines and the ten foot is between 2 pairs of running lines regardless of the actual physical distance between them ie: cess/4ft/6ft/4ft/10ft/4ft/6ft/4ft/cess. Has always been explained to me the same way in every PTS refresher I've done since 1992.
     
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    Their are two platforms then two lines, the standard distance apart.
     
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    Re: May 2009 Issue

    It doesn't say that in the rule book. I quoted the text earlier. Next time you have a refresher, I suggest you question the info you are given.
     
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    Yes you did quote the text correctly from module G2. On the very next page (diagram G2.1) it shows the typical set-up which is exactly how I've described it.
     
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    You've said 'typical'. It dose not say that on the next page. It is simply showing positions 'on or near the line' which is a totally different thing. go back and look at the definitions once again.
    'Six foot' is the space is the space between one line and another where the lines are the normal distance apart.'
    'Ten foot' is the space is the space between one line and another where there is a wide space between a pair of line and there are three lines or more.'
    It has nothing to do with positioning of running lines or order of running lines (or sidings). You can't put a signal post in a six foot and there are plenty between the 1st & 2nd lines on multi track sections.
     
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    I can't be arsed to argue with you, I'll just remember to tell every instrustor that I've had in about 9 courses that they're talking rubbish 'cos you said so.
     
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    Guys stop with the bickering - RSF is correct in what he has said. This is set in stone as far as 10 foot between 2 sets of running lines. cess/4ft/6ft/4ft/10ft/4ft/6ft/4ft/cess
     
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    What I have been told, and what is on the NR PTS course videos, is that the 6-ft is the normal space between running lines. The 10ft is the area which is larger than normal and can accomodate a position of safety.

    EDIT: Yes I agree with RSF.
     
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    What you put in your first paragraph is right. That's not agreeing with RSF.
     
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    Yes, it's more or less exactly what RSF said: cess/4/6/4/10/4/6/4/cess.
     
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    So is this video for the NR PTS online or is it just something thats been sent about with an arguement attached?

    Cause im actully interestted in having a watch all the way though.
     
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    I have it on my laptop, would be happy to send it to you if you wanted.
     
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