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S&C reopening special with Flying Scotsman 31/03/17

Discussion in 'What's Going On' started by alastair, Jan 13, 2017.

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    I imagine the police will have at least one on patrol for starters.
     
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    The ĺast time I travelled over the S&C with 4472 was on the Permanent Wayfarer.
    4472 Hellifield to Carlisle and return, diesel Lancaster to Hellifield and return.
    Cost £2, and I crossed Batty Moss viaduct in the cab, at 60mph.
     
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    Sorry should have said "Footplate"
     
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    Permanent Wayfarer was 1981
     
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    On the Settle & Carlisle Trust Facebook page it is reported that Scotsman will pass Ribblehead at 11.23 North and 17.28 South
     
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    I wonder if that 30mph TSR will still be in place at Horton, like it was for the A1, I assume that A3 is wider than Tornado ?
     
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    Not seen the times on RTT yet. I'd wondered with it being a Flying Scotsman high profile job, they may not appear on there.
     
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    its hardly the ECML
     
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    I wonder if Scotsman will need help on the return? KWVR quite steep and some significant curves which don't help. Banker anyone?
     
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    Considering the last time I was hauled (eventually) by Scotsman she could not even lift the ECS off the Clitheroe line into Hellifield for the trip to Carnforth without a 40 minute struggle I suspect it may be an essential.
     
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    Well lets hope it's one of the Worth Valley fleet and not something maroon from the West Coast fleet !
     
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    Presumably need dragging back out off p1 at Keighley onto the down main to access the branch, on the return???
     
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    Was it not already announced that the dubdee would be tail end charlie to the A3 on KWVR metals?
     
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    That was the old wreck, not the new build hauling the reopening train.
     
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    That's true for the KWVR week of operations. If it needs banking with a short-ish KWVR train then it will definitely need help with a full main line set. But I don't suppose the KWVR will steam the WD just for one trip.
     
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    Out of curiosity what format of route relearning is necessary to sign it, assuming it has lapsed given the length of closure?
     
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    May have been factored into the fare structure plus a loco could be used the following day so wouldn't just be steamed for a lone trip.
     
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    Out of interest, what is the max gradient on the KWVR, and what length trains are planned to operate? (On the Bluebell we have a section of 1 in 55 that starts straight before curving; and to my knowledge we are not planning on using a banker for Flying Scotsman's visit - train weight will be 8 bogies, about 280tons tare).

    Tom
     
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    Can't answer the second part of your question, but as far as the gradient profile is concerned, the KWVR website has this helpful note
    "The steepest gradient on the line is 1 in 56, which occurs in two places: Keighley Curve (0m.10ch to 0m.27ch.) and between Ingrow Tunnel (1m.35ch.) and Damems station (2m.0ch). The average gradient of the line is 1 in 70."

    Even more helpfully, details of curvature and check rails are given for the former location
    "There are two other check-railed curves: the 9 chain radius Keighley Curve (0m.5ch. to 0m.27ch.) and the 13 chains radius Globe Inn Curve (0m.32ch. to 0m.44ch.)."

    Source : http://kwvr.co.uk/trains-and-the-railway/branch-profile/

    I sometimes wonder whether there might be a publishing opportunity for an omnibus edition of the gradient profiles of branch line/ heritage line routes. I seem to recall a similar question came up a couple of years ago in relation to the Wensleydale Railway, around the time that RTC ran their Wensleydale and Durham Coast outing over that line. I searched, but drew a blank. Meantime, the (1947) main line gradient profiles have recently been re-published (by Ian Allan), so maybe there is a market for this sort of thing, however specialist.
     
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