Discussion in 'Heritage rolling Stock' started by steamwife, Dec 18, 2007.
There's also a MK 1 TSO, page 26 is where to look in WHS reading room.
Could be an extremely attractive dining train available in one purchase potentially...
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The pullmans are on the seafront at Seahouses just outside sunderland, I had a good look round them a couple of years a go.
the effects of lack of care and close proximity to the north sea means who ever takes them on will need deep pockets.
not an impossible project but needs careful costing.
any Idea what the present owner is asking for them?
It must be noted two of the Pullmans have 6 wheel bogies which are the extremely rare type, the interiors have been modified aswell into a restaurant I believe.
Kitchen First Rosalind: http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=2214
Parlour First Sapphire: http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=2207
Parlour First Padua: http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=2213
2 of them have 15 foot of one side missing, so I would suspect you could probably make two coaches out of the three. Would need to be at scrap value to make it worthwhile really.
Given that I have (more or less by myself) now produced about four and a bit carriages worth of new bodyside framing and I've seen evidence of others doing similar levels of frame replacement. Then the odd missing 15 foot of side should not automatically lead to cannibalisation, especially as Pullmans are straight sided.
After the beavertail end everything else feels a doddle. lol
If it's the three I think it is, without seeing the article, the first problem would be understanding their accents!
Seahouses near North Sunderland?
Sorry that should be Seaburn got a bit confused, used to spend a fair bit of the summer back in the 60s staying with relatives in sea houses
Coaches like these will be very easy to do on the woodwork side with their slab sides against doing the main framework on coaches with tumble homes. Many railways/groups who rebuild/repair wooden bodies coaches like you and I do and others will be able to make these replacement parts and fit them so easy.
There are two very significant hurdles to be mounted by any purchaser of the Seaburn Pullmans - firstly they are all of all-timber construction, that is to say they do not have separate steel underframes, and whilst it is not necessarily going to be impossible to get approval to run them it isn't necessarily going o be easy either - what other timber framed coaching stock is I reular use (Which they would have to be to cover the likely restoration costs). To compound this problem, the bogies have timber frames as well, and I can't think of any coaches with timber framed bogies that are in use. So, without a big investment, they are unlikely to be runners.
Sounds like to run them you might as well rescue the fittings and verandas start afresh on the rest onto a new underframe and 4 wheel bogies...on the other hand they might make a nice Café in Haworth; looking over the edge of the Yard with access from the old Fire station plot ...
Changing the subject, does anyone know of any Mk 1 BGs fitted with Commonwealth boies for sale? Preferably not with roller shutter doors fitted? Up to five required. Please PM me if you can help.
So if it is all wood why when these mono-framed coaches are set on fire by arsonists the underframe and bogies are still left. http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=2217
Because, as I think I said about the bogies, they are sheathed in steel (I forget the technical term for this process). I suspect this may also be true for the wooden solebars. Also, all the photos I've seen of burned out coaches suggest that the fires rarely burn through the floorboards, if it breaks out above floor level. All of which does not explain why vehicle examiners seem to be wary of approving timber chassied stock for use.
That's the word(s)!
Talyllyn! Although I think they made a steel subframe within the frames of the Brown-Marshalls to cope with mounting brake cylinders - in the 1990s....?
I think it was also to hold the brown marshalls together!when I get a chance il check out pendrhe sidings to see what happened,
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