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Discussion in 'Steam Traction' started by aron33, Aug 15, 2017.

  1. Copper-capped

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    Was there not some other nickname for a class, (or indeed, was it of the so-called modernly corrupted 'taffy tank' class, which by the way I Think I have the impression that it had had spread as a Monica for any 0-6-2t GWR loco and not just those of TVR heritage), that had something to do with old British currency and wheel arrangements? If you could draw a line from 0-6-2 to 2/6 of the old money, was there not a nickname of something along those lines?

    The vagaries of imperial monetary slang are like smoke in the wind to this post-decimal colonial boy...
     
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    The GWR 61xx 2-6-2T were known as 'tanner-one-ers' to some; 'tanner' being slang for the pre-decimal 6d coin, could this be what you are thinking of?
     
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    Yes, that rings a bell. Thanks :)
     
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    There's GWR 813, formerly of the Port Talbot Railway.
     
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    That had slipped my mind completely. Is that the group which upped sticks to the Gwili Railway?
    Those were the nearest I could find too, but LB's post sent me scurrying to check and it left the big railway in the 20s. Looks like even by pre-grouping preservation standards, No28 enjoyed a particularly charmed life .... luckily for today's enthusiasts.
     
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    Preserved Welsh locomotives from the GWR side I'm aware of are

    1338 Kitson 0-4-0ST ex Cardiff Railway
    1340 Trojan Avonside 0-4-0ST ex ADR
    921 Brush 0-4-0ST ex P&M
    813 Hudswell Clarke 0-6-0ST ex Port Talbot
    450 (28) ex Taff Vale O1
    426 (85) ex Taff Vale O2
    1378 Fox Walker 0-6-0ST ex Gwendraeth Valley Railway, ex GWR ex North Pembrokeshire and Fishguard Railway.
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    BPGVR 2 Avonside 0-6-0ST, which was never owned by the GWR

    The majority had been sold on by the GWR and survived in industrial service. Offhand I think only 1338 was ever a BR locomotive.

    To confuse things further RSH works number 7058, from the 1940s, has in the past been painted and numbered as 1144, which was a 1909 built Hawthorn, Leslie 0-4-0ST formerly owned by P&M which carried 1144 from 1947 until scrapped in 1960.
     
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    This sent me off on a web trawl as I confess 813 had skipped my mind. Must be that GW 'Swindonisation' camouflage job (that's my excuse anyway .. and I'm sticking to it!). 'Spose we should be glad it didn't get the full pannier treatment like the MW pair (GW Nos 28/29) from the Cleobury line. Round topped firebox I guess.

    If locos got twinned the way towns and whole lines do, I'd twin 813 with the ex-LBSC E1 No110, as both were treated to new boilers during their colliery lives. Can't find a date for the E1's replacement boiler, but in 813's case, it strikes me as lucky this wasn't till the pool of likely replacements cheaper than the new boiler had been thinned out by WWII scrap drives and the working of so much else into the ground during the war. Lucky too that coal was one of the key UK products in the postwar export drive. Busy years for coal.

    Given it was a Port Talbot loco, it was extremely fortunate not to originally have been snapped up by a steelworks, I can't imagine it would've got a new boiler at one of those back then!
     
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    @ Lester Brown,
    Oh! Are you referring to the Caerphilly Railway Society?

    Yeah, long defunct. Sadly as they had a few lovely examples of machines steaming there, and they restored them outside in the cold too. Got repeatedly burgled and vandalised into oblivion. May the prepetrators rot in a cell.
     
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    It's a miracle that any of the locomotives survived at all, considering many were withdrawn in the 20s - 30s, if not for them finding buyers and work with the NCB, we'd have nothing at all. Most had no chance.

    I was really gutted about the TVR A class 0-6-2T because unlike the rest, they were vacuum brake fitted and could do passenger workings as well as freight in the valleys. They were scrapped towards the end of the 50s, if only another region snapped one or two up. Alas...
     

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