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Discussion in 'National Railway Museum' started by admin, Apr 18, 2008.

  1. Fred Kerr

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    The difference is that the printed word can be challenged - and changed if necessary BUT the computer word is not only more acceptable but difficult to change if wrong.

    Again a tale from my work days. Every Monday morning the Home Office received a list from prisons of their current occupancy and the sheets were duly passed to a clerk who checked them for errors before passing them on the Data Control section who transcribed the data into computer language which was then processed overnight on Tuesday. On Wednesday mornings a successful run generated a message which indicated that I could run a suite of 3 programs that produced a printed Occupancy Report within 3 minutes. The report was produced by 12:00 mid-day and taken by the Senior Officer to the clerk who checked the printed report against the figures she had assembled from the forms by end of day on Monday; if any fault was found it was ALWAYS in the computer-generated figures not in hers. When this was pointed out with the consequent question of what value was the report she replied that the computer printout looked more presentable to management therefor more acceptable - irrespective of the accuracy of the printed figures !!

    Sadly that dependency on the "computer being right" still permeates thinking today and I'm sure that this dependency has caused much of the recent problems that face modern society !
     
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    Forgive me but you could not be more wrong IMHO. Put something in writing or typescript and then ^it is written" as the Bible puts it ie not to be questioned.

    Let me cite the works of a railway historian we shall call "Buggins". His work seemed meticulously researched, quoted sources etc. However it was seriously incorrect in places and Buggins knew it. Much guesswork dressed up as hard fact. However. any attempt, regardless of how gently it was expressed, to get these inaccuracies corrected were either argued with or ignored.

    Two people I knew were fed up with this and prepared a book of their own. Original sources were investigated and former employees consulted. The book was duly written and reviewed in a specialised publication. The review can be summarised as "Messrs A and "B" have prepared an interesting work on their subject. How strange that it does not refer to the admirable work of Mr. Buggins".

    The printed word is every bit as difficult to amend as the electronic one, perhaps in some ways more so.

    PH
     
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    To be fair, I think Fred confuses data - where I see that phenomenon daily - and interpretation, where the authority of published authors is hard to shake, especially in a field like ours without significant academic interest.
     
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    Would that be the same Mr Buggins who lives in a town in the south west that had its railway line washed away a couple of years ago?
     
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    (My emphasis)
    There is one of the questions at the root of this debate and many others.
     
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    No this Buggins has died and did not, as far as I know, live in the south west. There are any number of Bugginses around, writing books which quote "sources" which others can never find. The one I referred to was chosen because I knew the people who tried to correct things, only to be rewarded by a silly review (by an academic)

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    Because public funding requires them to appeal to the public, not a specialist group.
    I think you will always struggle to provide anything which appeals to everyone in the specialist group either, as this thread highlights very well.
     
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    Sounds quite modest to me. Equates to about 5 consultants. They should be set an objective of spending ten times as much without achieving anything.;)
     
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    Mission

    Our mission is to seamlessly and proactively energise our products in order to enthuse and stimulate our customer base, whilst empowering our stakeholders to exploit emerging scenarios and leverage their potential.

    Objectives
    • To attract as many people as possible to our museum and its events by offering a great day out to people of all ages, gender, ethnic background and sexual orientation.
    • To reduce our collection to a sustainable level by eliminating boring exhibits.
    • To promote the museum using Flying Scotsman as a living ambassador for the steam age.
    (Just jesting, obviously, but I might have a think about your challenge and suggest a serious mission statement).
     
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    Of course when it comes to crunch. No matter which way an organisation like the NRM jumps, they'll be dammed, as there'll always being someone pointing the finger......
     
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