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LB&SCR Billinton Tank Engines

Discussion in 'The Big Four (1923-48)' started by neildimmer, Oct 16, 2013.

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    Hi Neil

    Nice photos - but a couple of corrections / clarifications.

    Firstly, there were two Billinton's, father and son. The 0-6-2Ts and 0-4-4Ts in the collection are the work of the father, Bob Billinton. The big Baltic tanks are the work of his son, Lawson Billinton.

    With photos 7 and 8, it is a bit misleading to give an alternative BR number of 32333. Although it is technically correct, the locos had been rebuilt as 4-6-0 tender engines long before BR days, so that BR number is really the number of an N15X tender engine, not an L tank engine.

    The two Billintons were separated as CME of the Brighton by Douglas Earle Marsh. A few of your photos are actually locos by him, for example photos 4 and 5 are Marsh I3s, not Billinton locos.

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    Hi Tom

    It all gets a bit blurred going back all those years, have looked at the 2 locos in photos 4&5 and found they are indeed 2087 & 2089 Marsh is it I3 or 13 class (L B Billinton development of Marsh design with superheater and larger cylinders)

    changed the gallery title also

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    Hi Neil

    It is I3, not 13.

    Not sure quite what you mean by saying they are a Billinton development of a Marsh design. It's true that the last examples (including 87 and 89 in your photos) were built under LB Billinton's regime with very minor detail variations, but they are every bit as much a Marsh design as a BR-built Castles, West Countries and A1 pacifics are Collett, Bulleid or Peppercorn designs. You wouldn't call a 1950-built Castle with a double chimney and four row superheater a Riddles design, would you? :) Certainly the main innovation, which made them so celebrated - probably the first successful superheated loco in the country - was made by Marsh; it wasn't a development by Billinton.

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