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Andrew Barclay

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  1. stuartreeder

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    Update on parts needed

    Motions ( will have hopefully next year )
    Crosshead and slide bar
    Tube plate and tubes ( I know I need new)
    Smokebox and door
    Throat plate
    Back plate needs shaping
    Inner firebox
    Ashpan ( I think that's what it's called)
    Cab fittings
     
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    The Smokebox on most Barclay's is an extension of the front barrel section. When I required new front barrel section and front tubeplate for my small Barclay, I got them from the same supplier to ensure correct mating dimensions. To give some indication of cost, mine is a 10" saddle tank and in 2005 front barrel/smokebox section welded fabrication cost about £1100 and front tubeplate pressing machined around flange but otherwise not drilled cost about £850.
     
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    Thanks for the info much appreciated.
     
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    Hello everyone,

    Does anyone know of any andrew Barclay:

    Boilers (in any state of useability

    Smokebox doors

    Smokeboxes

    Ash pans

    Tube plates

    Whistles

    Etc etc

    Please contact me

    I could arrange a reward in appreciated

    Stuart
     
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    i doubt you will find most of those items secondhand as they usually get used to destruction. Whistle (and fittings) excepted. The chances that any bit you do find being correct for your loco must be very slim anyway.

    It's really going to be a case of getting these bits made new.
     
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    if anyone is willing to assist Stuart with full loco restoration expertise , availability of locomotive parts and significant amounts of cash please contact Stuart
     
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    A tip for you Stuart. If the "scene" is like the classic car scene, the people you will reach on the Internet who might make a difference to your project is just the tip of a rather large iceberg. It seems to me people into retro things are often not very internet savvy. Go the old way, letters to the magazines etc.
     
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    So I was scanning through Facebook pages this evening and came across this: https://www.facebook.com/2859loco/?ref=py_c

    So not only does Stuart have the former LMS Inspection Saloon (which as far as anyone can see has had no work done to it), he has also acquired AB 2352 (no work started) and now he's now revived his appeal from last year for £38k to buy GWR 2859!!

    Looking at of the associated crowd funding pages, there is:

    LMS Saloon - £1,000 (https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Cylinders?utm_id=2&utm_term=3kexZPq89)
    LMS Saloon - £2,850 (https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Saloon45036?utm_id=2&utm_term=9Nn72wrzw)

    AB 2352 - £2,000 (https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Steam?utm_id=2&utm_term=xK2aKj3MG)
    AB 2352 - £50,000 (https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Ab2352?utm_id=2&utm_term=z3W8q9ArA)

    GWR 2859 - £38,000 (https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/2859?utm_id=2&utm_term=9Nn72wrzw)

    That's a grand total of £93,850

    Stuart, has it ever occurred to you that you need to actually achieve something in order to build your railway reputation and show people that you will produce the goods if they give you money? It is also very unusual (possibly unheard of) for the public/heritage world to donate money to rolling stock/locos which are owned by individuals. I would suggest that you will need to produce some form of incentive ownership scheme or place your items in an owning society that people can join - you can't expect other people to cough up nearly £100k without any form of shares/voting rights/rewards.

    When you bought the Inspection Saloon people seemed to be giving you the benefit of the doubt and hoped you'd got over your somewhat madcap past. Then, before any work has been done you bought the loco. Now you want to buy another loco before the Barclay has even seen a spanner, welding torch or paintbrush!
    You need to stop these stupid schemes and actually get something finished (or even started...)


    Keith
     
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    Just think though, if he raises all of the cash he will have his own personal scrapyard. The total of all of his fundraising appeals wouldn't even be sufficient to restore the inspection saloon.

    Bob.
     
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    I think you seem to forget there someone that the lms saloon has been started and once andrew Barclay has moved it will too have work started on it I'm collecting a few bits for the Ab and my 2859 page has been open for a six month or there abouts now
     
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    One of the comments on the site reads: "You do know this is going to cost a minimum of £750k to fully restore? Where in earth are you going (to get) that amount?" Having been involved with the restoration (on and off) with a 28xx since around 1984, this would not be a bad sum of money to aim for given the current state of the loco as seen in the photo. I'm unaware of the situation regarding the tender, motion and other parts that might be included with 2859 but £750K would definitely have it up and running, depending of course, on how much skilled volunteer labour you can harness. I believe that 2859 has a relatively good boiler and so any restoration would have an advantage in this regard. Both of the current campaigns seem doomed.
     
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    £750k is a lot of money, but if it's divided over say 10-15 years, it becomes a much more manageable yearly fundraising target, similar to how the Patriot boys and girls have done it - you don't need all the money at once. I understand that the tender is not included (I think it was sold to another group a while back), not sure about the motion.

    Stuart, I see no evidence that work has started on the Inspection Saloon apart from the acquisition of a couple of vacuum pipes, in fact it is interesting to note that since I highlighted your multiple fundraising appeals, you've actually added a further appeal for £900 to build one of the end panels!
    Since the Tanat Valley railway appear to have little to no engineering facilities, I find it hard to believe that much work will take place once the loco has moved there. You've already been advised to get quotes from professional repair companies such as Ian Riley or the South Devon but from your postings on Facebook it looks like you're trying to get the equivalent of the local blacksmith to stick it together for you...
    Your 2859 Facebook page has postings back to 15/7/15 and you're also competing with the group mentioned above who have already set themselves up as a limited company and been speaking with the current owners. Your Facebook site can't even get her current railway right!

    As Bob said earlier, even if you are successful in buying 2859 all you will do is end up with your own personal scrapyard as you won't have the money to actually do any work and people will not want to donate to you because 1. they're privately owned and 2. you'd probably take their money and go buy something else.

    You need to get realistic - if you don't have the personal funds to rebuild the saloon or the Barclay, then sell one of them, (forget about 2859 - let the other group do something with it) and get something finished! You will always have the opportunity to buy a loco or carriage in the future, but the more you mess around buying stuff and not doing anything with it, the more people will laugh at you and refuse to help with parts, advice etc.

    Time to stop dreaming and start doing....


    Keith
     
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    https://www.facebook.com/Ruston-and-Hornsby-Merry-Tom-1145949855519143/ Is this another @stuartreeder one ?

    re 2859 , a well organised group stands a chance of achieving their goal . 35011 which was considered a no hope now has some momentum , similarly 2885 . Ryan Pope is doing superb work ironically based at Williton , having already restored the Caledonia Barclay is now cracking on with HC1857 https://www.facebook.com/Hudswell-clarke-1857-617279978377931/ with more recent updates on his own facebook page so I would never seek deter anyone with the vision, capability and drive to make a restoration happen

    However , buying two basket case items , putting them in the fag end of the fag end of beyond and then hoping the gofundmecrowdfunderjustgiving will generate you all the money you need to make it happen whilst relying on others to do all the work is not a business model I have seen work
     
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    The floor and base frame of the saloon has been removed so that the chassis top can be painted and once andrew Barclay has moved bits can be overhauled and painted and as for the comment about the fact I would have my own scrap yard which would not cover costs to rebuild saloon you are wrong if I brought 2859 I would have £100,000 worth of engines/rolling stock which would complete andrew Barclay if the others were sold or atleast the saloon would be finished
     
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    So, forgive me my naivety, but how do you propose to buy 2859 so that its sale could potentially fund the overhaul of the Andrew Barclay? Bottom line is, the only way you are likely to be able to sell 2859 for £100k is if you have previously paid £100k to buy it - and if you happen to have £100k lying about, why not just use it directly to restore the other stock you have? :confused:

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    so the plan is to buy 2859 with monies given towards the engine , sell it and use the proceeds to fund the Barclay ..................
     
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    ...a move that comes perilously close to attempting to obtain money under false pretences or, more bluntly, fraud.
     
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    I may buy 2859 once the andrew Barclay is completed and then sold if that is what I decide to do. Other than that I may decide not to buy her but I "Do wish the other group all the best in trying to buy and restore 2859.
     
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    Stuart, in one post you've said you'll sell 2859 which you don't currently own to restore the Andrew Barclay, and the second you've said you'll sell the Andrew Barclay, which you haven't currently completed, to buy 2859. The two together is simply impossible, so in which of the two above posts have you been talking rubbish? Your answer is not limited to one. :)

    Somewhere amongst all this selling of stock to fund restoration of others, you *will* need a cash input of £100k or so, which you simply cannot raise by selling things. You won't raise it by asking for donations as no one trusts you, and it's highly unusual for people to give donations to a private individual's pet project anyway unless it's through a trust or company of some sort.
     
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